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robw_uk Completely Obsessed Member

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thinking of adding a little AM to my Airfix Mk 1... know I have to correct the wheels but has anyone got any experience of the fit of the CMK gun bays (kit is CMK7315)

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robw_uk Completely Obsessed Member

robw_uk

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oh yes, and in the words of various French Operatic (maybe Musical) Revolutionaries.....

"ONE MORE DAY".....

PhantomBigStu Blabber Mouth

PhantomBigStu

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Might enter this sooner than I thought, need one more flying hour before I cash in so might amazon the airfix mk1 later, another of my early builds to be redone. or do I be abitious and put the metal wings from the old kit I have on it?

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Doug Rogers Very Obsessed Member

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Quick question: I noticed in the rules that snap-tite kits are not allowed. What's the hosts view on the Hobbyboss easy kits ? My plane would be to build one of these but I'd like to be sure they are eligible. Have to say that my plan involves a bit of butchery and some scratchbuilding...

Not familiar with these kits but if I'm right in thinking adhesive is required then it's ok.

Giorgio N Blabber Mouth

Giorgio N

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Not familiar with these kits but if I'm right in thinking adhesive is required then it's ok.

This is what the Hurricane looks like

http://www.model-making.eu/products/Hurricane-MK-II-993206.html

They could probably be built without glue, although using some adhesive is better. The HB easy kits are actually quite nice, very good for beginners and IMHO also not bad for those modellers who want to focus on painting. The Hurricane unfortunately is not their best as the fuselage is too slim. This kit is pretty much a simplified copy of the Academy kit with all its issues. Other kits in the series are very good

Enzo the Magnificent Blabber Mouth

Enzo the Magnificent

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I built a Hobby Boss easy built Typhoon in the recent Whif GB. It can be built without adhesive, but I don't recommend it as it still needs filler.

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PhantomBigStu Blabber Mouth

PhantomBigStu

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I'm in for this now, got a airfix mk1 on its way, will enter it here only and not in made in GB as I have enough threads in their already (and I not done yet in there :) )

Fin Established Member

Fin

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Well, I was just about to take some photos of the sprues and accessories, but it now dawns on me that I`ve bought the wrong Airfix kit for my project. :wall:

What I have is Airfix 01010

http://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Hawker-Hurricane-MkI.html

, but I was trying to make one of the Yugoslav built Hurricanes. This kit does not contain the sprue E (?), which is part of Airfix 02067:

http://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Hawker-Hurricane-Mk.I-Early.html

Since I need a three bladed propeller I din`t thought I need that sprue, but it actually also contains a pole type antenna mast (if I got the name correctly), a different panel for the back of the cockpit, a different ending part for the underside (with a different wheel gear) and also a different tail rudder. Could someone confirm that these are all present in the Yugoslav hurricanes?

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234951133-yugoslav-hurricanes-recommended-schemes/page-2#entry1524398

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Troy Smith Blabber Mouth

Troy Smith

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Well, I was just about to take some photos of the sprues and accessories, but it now dawns on me that I`ve bought the wrong Airfix kit for my project. :wall:

What I have is Airfix 01010

http://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Hawker-Hurricane-MkI.html

, but I was trying to make one of the Yugoslav built Hurricanes. This kit does not contain the sprue E (?), which is part of Airfix 02067:

http://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/Hawker-Hurricane-Mk.I-Early.html

Since I need a three bladed propeller I din`t thought I need that sprue, but it actually also contains a pole type antenna mast (if I got the name correctly), a different panel for the back of the cockpit, a different ending part for the underside (with a different wheel gear) and also a different tail rudder. Could someone confirm that these are all present in the Yugoslav hurricanes?

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234951133-yugoslav-hurricanes-recommended-schemes/page-2#entry1524398

you need to check your references, perably a specific machine.

only very early planes, when first in service did not have the under fuselage strake and thus a shallower rudder.

the pole aerial was standard for all L**** and N**** serialed planes.

I put in links about Yugoslav planes in a previous post to you.

right, this one is relevant

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234951133-yugoslav-hurricanes-recommended-schemes/page-2#entry1524398

the kit you have is fine as is, if you want accuracy you need 5 spoke wheels, to remove the fabric effect behind the gun bays and get a new canopy, the kit one is too tall.

The cockpit back panel in sprue E lacks armour plate, I don't know if this was fitted to the Yugoslav planes, again, see previous links, I'll have a look later, but it won't be too hard to remove from kit one.

this post

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234951133-yugoslav-hurricanes-recommended-schemes/page-3#entry1703328

has the nearest you will get to cockpit pics, does not look like the back armour was fitted, but as it was fitted to British planes retrospectively the Yugoslavs may well have done as well, as it was very helpful!

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Fin Established Member

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Thank you!

only very early planes, when first in service did not have the under fuselage strake and thus a shallower rudder.

In the meantime I managed to figure out the difference between the rear fuselage types. Thanks for the rudder confirmation!

I put in links about Yugoslav planes in a previous post to you.

right, this one is relevant

http://www.britmodel...-2#entry1524398

Yes, that`s exactly the plane I intend to make, but in Romanian colours. The link was already in my post. :D I basically needed someone with a formed eye when it comes to recognizing specific Hurricane bits, but I also spent the time since my post comparing them and I think that, overall, I have a better idea now.

the kit you have is fine as is,

Apart from the antenna mast, unfortunately.

if you want accuracy you need 5 spoke wheels,

Already have CMK`s made specific for the Airfix kits.

to remove the fabric effect behind the gun bays and get a new canopy, the kit one is too tall.

I know about the fabric, but I think I can live with that. First time I hear about the canopy though. Hopefully I can live with that too. :D

Not sure what the E10 and E11 are exactly:

http://www.cartula.ro/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=101832

I`m guessing they have to do with some early aircraft only and could ignore those too.

I couldn`t find a definitive answer to the backplate on my own either so I guess I could go either way, as you say.

So, this leaves the antenna pole being the only thing that I needed from the other kit. :doh: Edit: do you have a closeup photo of a real rod type aerial?

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Troy Smith Blabber Mouth

Troy Smith

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Thank you!

In the meantime I managed to figure out the difference between the rear fuselage types. Thanks for the rudder confirmation!

Yes, that`s exactly the plane I intend to make, but in Romanian colours. The link was already in my post. :D I basically needed someone with a formed eye when it comes to recognizing specific Hurricane bits, but I also spent the time since my post comparing them and I think that, overall, I have a better idea now.

Apart from the antenna mast, unfortunately.

Already have CMK`s made specific for the Airfix kits.

I know about the fabric, but I think I can live with that. First time I hear about the canopy though. Hopefully I can live with that too. :D

Not sure what the E10 and E11 are exactly:

http://www.cartula.ro/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=101832

I`m guessing they have to do with some early aircraft only and could ignore those too.

I couldn`t find a definitive answer to the backplate on my own either so I guess I could go either way, as you say.

So, this leaves the antenna pole being the only thing that I needed from the other kit. :doh: Edit: do you have a closeup photo of a real rod type aerial?

E10 I think is the instrument venturi seen on early aircraft, port side by cockpit, E11 is the early style of pitot tube. The pole bit is not the aerial.

Canopy problem, discussed here.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234972791-airfix-fabric-wing-hurricane-canopy-glitch/

though photobucket is still playing up so pic may not show.

the pole aerial was standard for all L**** and N**** serialed planes.

the basic Airfix kit is a fabric wing L**** serial, it has the pole aerial, if not, it easy to make out of plastic rod, or wire etc, it's a round rod...

Walkround of the Science Museum L1592 is here

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/mark_hayward/hurricane_mk1_l1592/

has pics of pole aerial and a lot more.

cheers

T

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Fin Established Member

Fin

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Troy, thanks alot for your help!

the basic Airfix kit is a fabric wing L**** serial, it has the pole aerial,

The only one that I can see in my kit (which seems to be the very basic version - certainly the cheapest) is C9:

http://www.cartula.ro/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=101838

As I understand it, that`s the later aerial.

if not, it easy to make out of plastic rod, or wire etc, it's a round rod...

Yes, looking at the images you`ve linked to it seems any rod with a flat top will do. I`m thinking to use a piece from a metal paperclip. Not sure how paint will adhere to it, but I have a jar of Mr. Metal Primer so hopefully it will go well.

Btw, can you figure out the type of the backplate from these shots?

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/RRAF-Petre-Cordescu/pages/Hawker-Hurricane-RRAF-Esc-53-destroyed-by-Luftwaffe-Rumania-1941-Petre-Cordescu-collection-01.html

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/RRAF-Petre-Cordescu/pages/Hawker-Hurricane-RRAF-Esc-53-destroyed-by-Luftwaffe-Rumania-1941-Petre-Cordescu-collection-02.html

As far as I know they depict the ex-yugoslav no.15 destroyed on the ground by soviet fighters.

Troy Smith Blabber Mouth

Troy Smith

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Hi Fin

I think you are overthinking the aerial, paperclip with primer, or just stretch a piece of sprue will work fine.

Can't see the backplate in the pics, but the prop is the De Havilland Hurricane type, not the De Havilland Spitfire type as seen on the British supplied metal wing planes, numbers 1-12.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/RRAF-Petre-Cordescu/images/Hawker-Hurricane-RRAF-Esc-53-destroyed-by-Luftwaffe-Rumania-1941-Petre-Cordescu-collection-01.jpg

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hurricane/RRAF-Petre-Cordescu/images/Hawker-Hurricanes-RRAF-Esc-53-Red-6-Rumania-1941-Petre-Cordescu-collection-01.jpg]

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/


which is an interesting detail I'd not spotted.
My kit is not to hand so can't remember which type of DH prop is supplied, but you can work it out from the above information.

Fin Established Member

Fin

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Can't see the backplate in the pics, but the prop is the De Havilland Hurricane type, not the De Havilland Spitfire type as seen on the British supplied metal wing planes, numbers 1-12.

I don`t know if someone managed to compare all the individual machines, but by extrapolating from the photos that clearly show the propeller cone (and the aircraft number), the consensus seems to be that the ex-Yugoslav machines (13-15) had the smaller and more pointy cone and the English supplied aircraft (the first 12) had the larger ones. So, the metal wing aircraft would need a Spitfire De Havilland cone. For one of the Yugoslav planes, the cone from the Airfix kit seems to be the right one.

Btw, those pics also show the stripes on the propeller and wings that many people usually ignore. There`s some debate about how long the wing stripes stayed on the aircraft, but if you`re curious to see one interpretation, there`s a nice collection of Romanian Hurricanes (3 British and an ex-Yugoslav) here:

http://www.cartula.ro/forum/topic/13626-hurricane-uri-mk1-romanesti-la-72/

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PhantomBigStu Blabber Mouth

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and I'm in with hurricane number 3, went to my LHS on a longshot, had it paid off I'd be leaving a tenner poorer, it didn't so I figured no harm in leaving with something else costing a tenner. Nice revell IIC :)

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TEMPESTMK5 Completely Obsessed Member

TEMPESTMK5

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Good morning

I am looking infos on 73Sqns Hurricanes Mk I used in North Africa in April 1941 some free french pilots served with this unit (Sub Lieutenant James DENIS shot down 8 ennemy aircraft among them the famous German Ace Hans Jochim Marseille ) ..

Thank you for your help

Patrice

Paul J Blabber Mouth

Paul J

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I don't recall signing up for this one so if I may I would like to join in as I have an Airfix Mk 1 metal wing version from way back to do. This will be keeping me busy as I am on a couple other GB s too that have started.

PhantomBigStu Blabber Mouth

PhantomBigStu

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Thought I was so close to finishing my pair, but been delayed by circumstance, broke the canopy on my mk1 and lost the intake on the mkii, which prompted a thought search of the room and the nearly full black rubbish sack, not found but have the spare form my original mk1 that's going in the bin, and picked up another kit for the canopy, so back on track in the coming days :)

Kallisti Completely Obsessed Member

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Oh bugg dear this has coem round rather quick, totally unprepared for it... still need to finish my Showman's Engine for the Made in England GB... may need to forfeit this one, I'll see how things go. If not I would be having a go at a IId for 5 Sqn in Burma...

Tomoshenko Very Obsessed Member

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Got a couple of queries regarding the MKIID. What is the correct colour for the undercarriage wells? Instructions state cockpit green, but in many pictures I've seen they are silver / aluminium. Ditto the seat. I am assuming this is green though as quite a few photos are of restored aircraft. And did it have a gunsight? One isn't included in the kit so I'll probably have to scratch this anyroad. Oh and don't get me started on RAF Azure Blue, just seen the reference thread for it...

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