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rob85

pics needed hurri with rockets/bombs

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Hi all,

I have a airfix new tool hurri kit. Its for mk 2c but want to make it into a bomber. So any pic's of hurri's holding rockets or bombs either mk ii, mk iv, or sea hurricanes would really help!!

Thank you in advance

Rob

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Have you tried Google? Otherwise, looking on Amazon or Abe will come up with any number of Hurricane books. Just avoid the ones with "Aces" or "Battle of Britain" or similar in their titles.

The Mk.IIc was used as a bomber, although mainly in the Far East. You could use the N.EG markings that come in the kit, for it was a bomber. The only ones with rockets were the Sea Hurricane trainers, without cannon, operating from airfields in North-West England such as Inskip.

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Google was rather fruitless but I will try the amazon idea

Thanks

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Google "Hurribomber" and "Hurricane Rockets" and look at images

HTH
Andy

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Hi

photo on this link

sea hurricane cannon armed IIc with rockets

cheers

jerryhttp://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=329407.0

Rob

dug some lins for you, also look at IWM site for Burma Hurricanes, as there will be IIC Hurribomber pics, and this was the main use of the IIC with bombs are Graham has pointed out.

Mk IV's were also used in SEAC

http://www.184squadron.com/New%20184%20Album/pages/Sqn-Ldr%20Rose%20and%20BR-J%20Hurricane.html

The planes in Jerry's link are discussed here, with more photos. The discussion in Jerry's link is incorrect. Scroll down to #17 for the answers.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234940217-sea-hurricane-hms-vindex-with-rocketsyour-picture-question/

Hurricane IV thread

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59225-hurricane-mk-iv-service/http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59225-hurricane-mk-iv-service/

Hurricane IV's in Greece with rockets/drop tank asymmetric loads

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234956860-hurricane-mk-iv-asymmetrical-loadouts/page-2

this aeromaster sheet [oop] has the Vindex plane discussed above as # 5, though with an incorrect drawings of the rockets.

and one of the 768 Training squadron IIc's with rockets is #4, mentioned by Graham above, there is a photo of this plane

AeroMaster_48-440_Instructions1.jpg

pics of K1-F here, 3 pics, scroll down.

http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk/ESCORT/Galleries/RAVAGER_Gllery_2.htm

October 4th 1944 Sea Hurricane NF722 has bounced over the barriers and collided with
Sea Hurricane NF728 coded 'KI-F'
October_4th_1944_Sea_Hurricane_NF722_NF7

October_4th_1944_Sea_Hurricane_NF728_K1_

No rockets as been fired in training, and hard to tell if codes are sky or yellow, though yellow was used by training units.

184 Squadron in the UK used Hurricane IID'd and IV's

eg Hurricane IV 's

http://www.184squadron.com/New%20184%20Album/pages/Hurricane%201943.html

http://www.184squadron.com/New%20184%20Album/pages/Squadron.html

Sq Ldr Rose plane, shows codes,

http://www.184squadron.com/New%20184%20Album/pages/Sqn-Ldr%20Rose%20and%20BR-J%20Hurricane.html

Not looked through the operations books to see if serial and mark are listed.

It's now late, off hand I can't think of any other's that fulfil your requests

HTH

T

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Those are the pictures of Inskip's Sea Hurris that I was thinking of - thanks for posting them. It shows a good view of the blast plate without the rocket rails. I don't think it is a matter of the rockets having been fired: the rail has been removed for deck landing training on HMS Ravager in the Irish Sea. These aircraft were being used to train future Firefly pilots in ground-attack duties, and the FAA hadn't fitted zero-length launchers by this time. Logically at least some of the SH may have retained cannon armament too, but I've not seen pictures of Inskip fighters with them - it's my local FAA airbase so I do keep an eye out for such things.

I hadn't noticed the two aerials under the belly of the fighters - something useful to add to a model. Presumably to provide the ability to talk to the ships and/or the ranges? I wonder if they are on operational SH in this period?

I hadn't realised/remembered that HMS Vindex had a flight of RP aircraft - they must have been a handful with the weight of four cannon and the weight/drag of the RPs, but then they only had to be faster than a U-boat could dive or an Avenger. Can't have been much in it. To enlarge on your comment about the rockets - the 60lb heads were designed for anti-ship work and the narrow 20lb heads for armour piercing, but it was found that they were more generally useful the other way around. It was discovered that aiming below the waterline did more damage because of the resulting underwater flight path, and the AP head went through the submarine's pressure hull.

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6 Sqn used rocket-armed Mk.IV Hurricanes over Yugoslavia with an asymmetric loading (aux tank under one wing). I think there was a thread on here not that long ago...

A_Hawker_Hurricane_Mk_IV_of_No._6_Squadr

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6 Sqn used rocket-armed Mk.IV Hurricanes over Yugoslavia with an asymmetric loading (aux tank under one wing). I think there was a thread on here not that long ago...

A_Hawker_Hurricane_Mk_IV_of_No._6_Squadr

Oooooooh what do I need to build this in 1/72? Love an assymetric loadout

Chris

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You need the AZ MK.IV with rockets kit plus a spare Hurri drop tank, available from a variety of sources. Plus an appropriate set of transfers. The aircraft appears to have had replacement nose panels fitted in fresh camouflage colours - or still in a dark primer?

Steven's top two photos show the Malta fit on an FAA-operated Hurricane. Note the beam suspended below the wing. The next photos show the factory design with the boom inside the wing structure and a canoe-shaped fairing over the gubbins - a useful guide to correct the Revell kit's barge-shaped offering. On the Mk.IIb Hurribomber this covers one of the gun exit slots so only ten machineguns are carried, as on the photo of the 402 Sq example (AE code hidden). The desert example is a local fit of a Light Store Carrier, possibly 80 Sq EY code?

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Thanks for all the info guys very helpful! Very interested in the FAA sea hurri with rockets however really like the look of the Malta hurri with bombs.... Could be opening a bun fight here but, what are the thoughts on the Malta hurri's colours?? Looks to be one single colour on uppers, volkes filter so pos azure blue undercarriage like middle east/north Africa. also my basic tells me its a mk1?? But they didn't carry bombs so is it a mk iv??

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It's a Mk.IIA, see the eight guns and longer nose - but the bomb carrier installation is local so any variant could presumably have been used. Not the Mk.IVs, they were later with armoured radiators and only had two guns anyway. Nor would they need external bomb carriers, come to that. There are clear signs of two colours on the uppersurface: look on the nose and along the leading edge of the wing. The likeliest are the conventional Dark Green and Dark Earth with Sky (or Sky Blue) or Azure Blue underneath. One qualifier is that for DE to look that dark, you'd expect ortho film but that would also make the red of the roundel look dark, which it isn't here.

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Thanks for all the info guys very helpful! Very interested in the FAA sea hurri with rockets however really like the look of the Malta hurri with bombs.... Could be opening a bun fight here but, what are the thoughts on the Malta hurri's colours?? Looks to be one single colour on uppers, volkes filter so pos azure blue undercarriage like middle east/north Africa. also my basic tells me its a mk1?? But they didn't carry bombs so is it a mk iv??

Hurricane I vs II see here - http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/64364-hurricane-noses-and-the-hasegawa-172-kits/page-2

Colours, see below

It's a Mk.IIA, see the eight guns and longer nose - but the bomb carrier installation is local so any variant could presumably have been used. Not the Mk.IVs, they were later with armoured radiators and only had two guns anyway. Nor would they need external bomb carriers, come to that. There are clear signs of two colours on the uppersurface: look on the nose and along the leading edge of the wing. The likeliest are the conventional Dark Green and Dark Earth with Sky (or Sky Blue) or Azure Blue underneath. One qualifier is that for DE to look that dark, you'd expect ortho film but that would also make the red of the roundel look dark, which it isn't here.

Maybe, maybe not. has been discussed before, at length.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/50654-malta-hurricanes/page-2

We don't know, Graham could be correct, but note also that there is a overpspray on the leading edge of the fin flash and possibly fuselage roundel.

HurricaneBG766Maltatailmarked.jpg

Local repaints were common on Malta, and done with what was available

As operating over water, and flown by RN personel? Could be Dark Grey, or a dark blue, note that blue of the fin flash is the same tone as the rest of the fin/rear fuselage.

HurrBomberEDSG_SM_zps604d279f.jpg

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Nothing to stop a respray with the same colours as originally. I agree that it could be almost any of a range of colours, or even patchwork, but some kind of evidence is needed to rule out the more conventional answer, not just wishful thinking (and as a modeller I'd love to have some different Hurricane schemes). The leading edge of the wing also shows signs of a hasty respray, but in a lighter colour. It was being flown - or at least looked after - by RN personnel but that doesn't restrict it to maritime operations - they were used alongside any other fighter-bomber for raiding Sicily.

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Just been comparing to some pics I have of med/malta beaufighters, top looks like esdg/dark green could be a very dark blue due to the fin flash but this could also be light angle as the sun is in front of the airframe making the tail section darker. Undercarriage could be azure or sky but no comparable pic with the right light angle. I will carry on. Thanks for all your input its really helping

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Just been comparing to some pics I have of med/malta beaufighters, top looks like esdg/dark green could be a very dark blue due to the fin flash but this could also be light angle as the sun is in front of the airframe making the tail section darker. Undercarriage could be azure or sky but no comparable pic with the right light angle. I will carry on. Thanks for all your input its really helping

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Sorry for resurrecting this thread but I'm Just re reading my old and very readable old Aeroplane Monthly copies. I am following several episodic articles by a chap called 'Dopey' Edwards DFC and about his Burma experiences.

 

P. 39 in Oct 1992 has an excellent photo of a bombed up (250lb) Hurricane IIB and interestingly they seem to have decided to tape off the 2nd from inner .303 barrel outlet on each side, the one directly over the bomb carrier. I'm wondering if that particular gun was removed in favour of re fitting one of the outer wing .303s (often removed to improve performance on a 12 gun a/c). It also positively locates the bomb carrier position, spanwise. The image doesn't show the whole wing but the inner of the two outermost .303s is definitely fitted because the barrel protrudes on the outer guns (but unsure about the very outer one regrettably).

In an earlier article, August 1992, p. 57 he shows an excellent close up, directly from front-on of a IIC with Hispanos and again a bomb carrier. This shows the bomb carrier to be plumb centre between the two cannon barrels (under the wing). 

 

Apparently the bombs were hung on a single lug and the two pairs of clamps each side were hand wound down onto the bomb body to just lightly touch it and provide anti sway stability. It was found that if too tightly wound down onto the bombs, they often prevented a clean release.

Hope this helps somebody.

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2 minutes ago, viscount806x said:

P. 39 in Oct 1992 has an excellent photo of a bombed up (250lb) Hurricane IIB and interestingly they seem to have decided to tape off the 2nd from inner .303 barrel outlet on each side, the one directly over the bomb carrier.

to allow fitting for bomb rack, this was standard 

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Outer 0.303 fitted. the thing inbaord of the guns is a camera gun.

Part of a famous series of 402 sq Hurricane photos.

HTH

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3 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

to allow fitting for bomb rack, this was standard 

F7018de8d934218a0cccb71354b8f145.jpg

Outer 0.303 fitted. the thing inbaord of the guns is a camera gun.

Part of a famous series of 402 sq Hurricane photos.

HTH

I thought that it seemed a good idea. Possibly the cartridge case ejector port would have been obstructed by the bomb carrier. I hadn't seen this before but oddly, if it was standard, perhaps only so on IIB variants. There are some other photos of 8 gun Hurricanes in this thread which have bomb racks fitted but show 4 open gun barrels indicating that all 8 guns were retained and had been fired. Or maybe not!

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The photos showing the full four guns are either those of the Malta-modified aircraft which has a different installation, or the multiple small bombs on the Light Store Carrier, which could be carried without intruding on the gun bay.

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From the IWM:

 

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Hurricane Mark IIE, BE485 AE-W, of No. 402 Squadron RCAF based at Warmwell, Dorset, in flight carrying two 250-lb GP bombs. The Mark IIE version was fitted with a 'universal' wing, permitting a variety of armament and stores to be carried without the necessity of modifying control systems and electrical circuits

 

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A Fleet Air Arm pilot running to his Hawker Hurricane which stands ready on an airfield in Malta.

 

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A Hawker Hurricane Mark IV of No. 6 Squadron RAF being serviced on an airfield in Italy, probably Foggia Main, prior to a sortie over the Adriatic. Note the asymmetric wing loading on the aircraft, consisting of a 44-gallon long-range fuel tank under the port wing, and four 3-inch rocket projectiles under the starboard: also the Type G45 gun camera being serviced by the airman standing second from the right.

 

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RAF ground crew unload 500-lb GP bombs from trolleys in front of a Hawker Hurricane Mark IIC of No. 221 Group RAF, which is undergoing re-arming of its four 20mm cannon at Palel, Burma.

 

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Armourers fit rocket-projectiles to Hawker Hurricane Mark IVs of No. 170 Wing in a dispersal on an airfield in Burma.

 

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Pilots of No. 80 Squadron RAF gather in front of one of their Hawker Hurricane Mark Is at a landing ground in the Western Desert, during Operation CRUSADER. In the middle of the group, wearing a white flying overall and smoking a pipe, is Squadron Leader M M Stephens, who commanded the Squadron from November until 9 December 1941 when he was shot down and wounded. During CRUSADER, 80 Squadron acted in close support of the Army, their Hurricane fighters being fitted with bomb racks to carry four 40 lb GP bombs, as seen here. Their first effective sorties as fighter-bombers were conducted against enemy vehicles south of Bir el Baheira on 20 November.

 

 

Not many pictures of rocket-armed Hurcs out there.

 

 

 

Chris

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The Mk.IIE was a designation used (I gather) internally by Hawkers for a "universal wing" Hurricane.  It apparently "escaped" and was applied to the Mk.IIB fighter-bomber - I'm not sure whether it actually implied something more involved, which eventually became the Mk.IV.  It can also be seen in JDR Rawling's Fighter Squadrons of the RAF applied to those of 607 Sq - but officially denied.  A member of this site has a copy of the memo saying just that.  (So do I now, but he deserves to claim the credit himself.)  It would be very useful to have this designation to distinguish between earlier Mk.IIB without this mod., but tough...

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There is a chance that with bomb carriers fitted, that all four inboard guns were also fitted.

Here's a crappy drawing which I think shows this, I wish it was clearer:

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I know what you mean, but photos do show that the gun in line with the carrier wasn't fitted, with the hole for the barrel permanently covered.

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