All the Hurricane questions you want to ask here

[michael_hase]

Can anyone tell, please, when these rectangular hatches were introduced?

 

Thanks

 

M.

[Troy Smith]

1 hour ago, michael_hase said:

Can anyone tell, please, when these rectangular hatches were introduced?

 

Thanks

 

M.

From the P**** serials  on for sure,  Dave Wadman aka @tango98 said he had something showing some very late N**** planes had them,  but I from photos I've not seen N**** with, or a P**** without.

HTH

 

[michael_hase]

Dear Troy,

 

thank you very much! Have a peceful Christmas today

 

Brgds

 

Michael

[Troy Smith]

On 15/12/2018 at 23:29, rob Lyttle said:

I'm struggling to work out what on the top view of the wing is nmf and what's silver dope.

Here's what I've got so far...

 couldn't find this image before when I wanted it, but this should help

 

Here the fabric has been stripped off the outer wing, you can see the metal leading edge is fabric covered outside of the gun bays.

[StevSmar]

This drawing excerpt shows the auxiliary oil tank that was fitted behind the cockpit when 90 gallon ferry tanks were fitted. Does anyone have a photo showing this modification to the cockpit Fairing?

 

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by StevSmar

[StevSmar]

This is the excerpt from the pilots notes describing the above:

 

 

[StevSmar]

This is the best image I have, I can’t quite tell if there is a filler behind the cockpit or not. Plus I don’t know if it’s on the port or stbd. side:

 

 

[Grey Beema]

On 8/15/2018 at 4:25 PM, Grey Beema said:

I am on the hunt for a couple of specific Hurricanes.  As some of you may know I am building up a collection of fighters flown by FAA Aces and one stream of my current project is S/Lt DM Jeram.

 

Dennis Mayvore Jeram was seconded to 213 Squadron RAF and was flying Hawker Hurricanes during the Battle of Britain during which he destroyed four German aircraft and probably destroyed one other.  I have been able to find the dates of his victories and have had a look at the ORB for those dates which gives me some of the information but not all.  Unfortunately 213 ORB only gives the aircraft ID letter (unlike 19 Squadron who only give the serial number) and I was hoping someone might be able to help me identify the serial niumbers of the aircraft or tell how I can identify them.

 

The dates and aircraft in question:-

11.08.40 Ju88 Destroyed, Ju88 Probably destroyed - ORB says that SLt Jeram was flying U (AK*U)

12.08.40 Me110 Destroyed - ORB says that SLt Jeram was flying U (AK*U) in the morning and Q (AK*Q) in the afternoon (not sure if the EA was destroyed in the morning or afternoon)

15.08.40 Me110 Destroyed - ORB says that SLt Jeram was flying W (AK*W)

15.09.40 Do17 Destroyed - ORB says that SLt Jeram was flying U (AK*U)

 

Hurricane U flown 11.08 & 12.08 maybe a different Hurricane to that flown on 15.09.

 

Can anyone help me with serial numbers - Ideally I would like a clear colour photograph of each side of each aircraft showing all markings, serial, weathering etc. (unlikely) but in lieu of which I would settle for a serial number..

 

Thanks in advance..

Just thought I would ask the question again.  You never know, someone might have turned something up..

[Dave Fleming]

Just read the thread, some fascinating information. I ‘did’ Hurricanes back in the late 80s early 90s with the Airfix/Heller kits, but time to start again!

[dogsbody]

While perusing this site on Belgian aircraft: http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Belgian_Aviation_History/BAFAircraft/Bafallaircraft_1919_1945.htm

 

I found this Hurricane photo:

 

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Hawker Hurricane I/Hawker Hurricane I H-27.html

 

 

Notice the shadow of the exhaust pipes. Has anyone ever heard of or seen a Hurricane with 6 straight pipes, like you might see on a Hispano engine?

 

 

Chris

[Graham Boak]

Not sure about the engineering, but perhaps the manifolds are missing?

[Dave Fleming]

What do we think the code colour is? White?  Grey? I love how smooth the finish is,  and the variety of spinners. (30 Squadron in Egypt)

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by Dave Fleming

[StevSmar]

On 12/27/2018 at 4:22 PM, dogsbody said:

I found this Hurricane photo:

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Hawker Hurricane I/Hawker Hurricane I H-27.html

Notice the shadow of the exhaust pipes....

Chris

That’s an interesting photo Chris! From the shadow it sure does look like straight exhaust stubs have been fitted. You’ve certainly got me wondering if this is peculiar to Belgian Hurricanes.

Edited December 29, 2018 by StevSmar

[Troy Smith]

On 27/12/2018 at 22:22, dogsbody said:

Notice the shadow of the exhaust pipes. Has anyone ever heard of or seen a Hurricane with 6 straight pipes, like you might see on a Hispano engine?

 

Similar/same to those fitted to the Prototype 

 

And the Fury

Fury pic from

 

[224 Peter]

Notice the large black number 27 under the wing? 

No gun ports either and no patches evident. 

I wonder if this is a very early production model displayed at a pre-war air show? 

[Troy Smith]

43 minutes ago, 224 Peter said:

Notice the large black number 27 under the wing? 

Large underwing numbers standard on Belgian planes.  See the link above.

 

43 minutes ago, 224 Peter said:

No gun ports either and no patches evident. 

often seen on British Hurricanes too,  just very neatly doped over and  painted to match the existing camouflage, from when you are not firing your guns much..... 

this was still carried on quite late, for example, P3166,  VY-Q, of 85 Sq at Castle Camps July 1940. 

 

Peter Townsend's plane, hence the white spinner, see here

 

[Graham Boak]

H27 was one of the 15 received by Belgium and was L1667 previously.  

[Dave Fleming]

what did the early manifold look like off the aircraft? As I recall, the manifolds bolted straight onto the outlets in the engine block, and certainly later manifolds didn’t have straight pipes.

[Troy Smith]

11 hours ago, StevSmar said:

From the shadow it sure does look like straight exhaust stubs have been fitted. You’ve certainly got me wondering if this is peculiar to Belgian Hurricanes.

here 

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Hawker Hurricane I/Hawker Hurricane I frontpage.html

anything with a camera icon to the left links to a photo,  all the other have standard exhausts.

 

So, had a  look here

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Belgian_Aviation_History/BAFAircraft/Bafallaircraft_1919_1945.htm

for anything that might be similar reminded me that the Belgians used the Fairey Battle (also Merlin powered, just to be clear) 

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Fairey Battle I/Fairey Battle I frontpage.html

a quick look through the Battle pics shows several with 6 short stubs, well shown here

http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Belgian_Aviation_History/BAFAircraft/Bafallaircraft_1919_1945.htm

 

A supposition is that they used Battle exhausts as a temporary replacement on H-27?

 

All pics shown under "fair dealing"/"fair use"

 

@dogsbody, well spotted Chris, not a detail I'd noticed before.   Another little fragment of data added to this thread.    

 

Perhaps one of our Belgian members,  perhaps @corsaircorp  might know, or can ask if there is any more on this known?

 

cheers

T

 

[dogsbody]

Thanks, Troy. I had noticed this before and had asked about it. Maybe not on this forum, but on a couple others, but had never received a reply. I'd forgotten about it until I recently re-visited the Belgian site and found that picture again. As usual, this forum is THE place to ask questions, have discussion and get answers.

 

Maybe I'll build another Airfix rag-wing as # 27 and try to find/make those exhaust pipes.

 

 

Chris

Edited December 29, 2018 by dogsbody

[Dave Fleming]

i Thought this had been discussed, but been through the thread again and can’t see it. 

 

Some shots seem to show a larger gap between the nose and the spinner on aircraft fitted with the Watts 2 blade propeller.

 

e.g. This one posted in an earlier post 

 

https://thumbsnap.com/c6sDf2ef?src=tsd

 

and both engine running and static shots of early 85 Squadron aircraft in Fighter Squadron at War (p12). Yet other pics don’t seem to show this gap. Was there an adjustment to the prop location, or to the rear of the prop?

 

https://thumbsnap.com/B7PaJwI8?src=tsr

Edited December 31, 2018 by Dave Fleming

[224 Peter]

Another question about the nose of an early Hurricane...

 

This photo is of Paul Richey of 1 Squadron on the nose of his beloved G, taken in France in the spring of 1940. 

 

 

Very clearly on the nose, below the exhaust manifold, are two small pipes. I've reviewed as many photos of the RHS nose of Hurricanes as I can find and some A/C have them, others have something like a small air intake and others have nothing. 

 

Can anyone tell me what purpose they serve and why they seem to have been deleted on later aircraft? 

I'm building a 1 Squadron Hurricane and they are absent from the kit. 

 

Thanks...

 

Peter

[dogsbody]

18 minutes ago, 224 Peter said:

Another question about the nose of an early Hurricane...

 

This photo is of Paul Richey of 1 Squadron on the nose of his beloved G, taken in France in the spring of 1940. 

 

 

Very clearly on the nose, below the exhaust manifold, are two small pipes. I've reviewed as many photos of the RHS nose of Hurricanes as I can find and some A/C have them, others have something like a small air intake and others have nothing. 

 

Can anyone tell me what purpose they serve and why they seem to have been deleted on later aircraft? 

I'm building a 1 Squadron Hurricane and they are absent from the kit. 

 

Thanks...

 

Peter

If memory serves me correctly, they are cooling air inlet/outlet for the generator. Others may(probably do) know more.

 

Chris

[corsaircorp]

Hello Dears,

I have some docs about Belgian Hurricanes and british interned ones...

To me the burning wreck is more a Battle than a Hurricane.

The Belgian contract for Hurricane is 2 blades prop only, the only belgian Hurricanes with the 3 blades are british ones.

Still I'm searching for profile or pics of L2012 piloted by Mr Cooper-Slipper for my Hurricane's builds !

If one of you want to do a Belgian Hurricane, I still have decals and another Watts prop !

PM me if interested !

Sincerely.

CC

[michael_hase]

Good afternoon gentlemen,

 

something for our specialists and I bet Troy and Graham know....

 

The left side engine panel of HC-452 has two small round rods protuding from the panel. the ones below the first exhaust stub. Aero Detail 12, page 58 top right (no. 7) ays that these are air intakes which were added with the Mk. II-version. I did not find a proof for this yet. Well, Aero Detail is not correct with all info and sometimes simply trust on interpretation of museum aircraft which again had been restored previously.

 

Now, the Hurricane (HC-452) at Tikkakoski in Finland is a more or less an early Mk. I and looking at the pictures this panel was not a replacment during restauration. The pictures and original Hurricanes I know all have these two rods at the same place.

 

Also interestingly this Hurricane had thetwo bulges at the front-cowling ring on the upper half instead of - as known - on the lower part. I doubt that these were fixed "upside down" and vice-versa during the rastauration work in the late 90ies?

 

Does anyone know?

 

Best regards

 

Michael