Graham Boak Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The usual reason I'm afraid: they didn't see much combat and were primarily used as trainers. The thousands of aircraft in the training system are very poorly served for photographs. Which makes these ones all the more precious. K1.F is from Inskip, which is just up the road, between Blackpool and Preston, the carrier HMS Ravager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Its a pity Graham but its probably a combination, as you say, of little use plus restrictions on taking photographs. I will be looking for inspiration on the Hurricane SIG table at Telford and maybe looking for Aeromaster decals! Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Which propeller was used on urbanowiczs Bob hurricanes? I've got a corgi one that needs a repair and decals for his mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Which propeller was used on urbanowiczs Bob hurricanes? I've got a corgi one that needs a repair and decals for his mount Spitfire type Rotol http://www.acestory.elknet.pl/urbano/urbano.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomBigStu Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Thanks for the quick reply but isn't that hennebergs one with the red stripe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Having had a look at my old PSL book on the Airfix Hurricane , as Troy says,there seems to be a real dearth of photos of cannon armed Sea Hurricane IIC's - maybe thats why Hasegawa gave up and produced decals for 835? I'm not sure what the other alternative is in the Hase 1/48th kit? Simon Its a pity Graham but its probably a combination, as you say, of little use plus restrictions on taking photographs. I will be looking for inspiration on the Hurricane SIG table at Telford and maybe looking for Aeromaster decals! Simon Hi Simon did you not check the Vindex link? all you need for those is a serial and a 24 inch sky code letter and you are done. You would need to add some rockets, note mounts below, and clip the corners off the gear doors, but the book is not to hand, these are not universal modifications, or you model could be done 'before' as they were done on ship. I know I made a note of some other letter/serial combinations from the book, on a bit of paper in the book! If you check the link you will see the Aeromaster decals are nothing special, not worth serious cash IMO. HTH PS EDIT I bunged Sea Hurricane IIC into google http://www.royalnavyresearcharchive.org.uk/ESCORT/Galleries/STRIKER_Gllery_2.htm has some simple schemes, again, code and serial is all that is required. reproduced under fair use. If you want to download the photos in the link, just save the entire webpage, and you get them all. these are from 824 Squadron. Sub-Lieutenant E.C. Godden in Sea Hurricane Mk.IIc, NF674 'R' flies into the barrier after failing to catch a wire, June 7, 1944 this one is of note for the shadow shaded letter Q name on this 'Libby' ? Note code letter is in front of roundel, looks to be same plane, so 'Libby' is P Sub-Lieutenant P.A. Clark in Sea Hurricane Mk.IIc, NF694 'U' flies into the barrier after failing to catch a wire, June 13, 1944 great photo! someone may have some serial/code ties up for HMS Striker 824 Sq Hurricanes? I don't know if there is any logic to the letter placement before or after roundel, but NF694/U is a documented easy to do scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Thanks for the quick reply but isn't that hennebergs one with the red stripe? no idea. Not a 303 expert, but from photos the vast majority of BoB Hurricanes used the Spitfire Rotol unit, if it's serailed after P27xx, or Rxxxx, or Vxxxx, figure on Spitfire Rotol, and these are the main production batches used in the Battle. Some later mk I's got the 'bullet' Rotol, which was the type specifically designed for the Hurricane. The thread which tries to sort this out http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234980181-hawker-hurricane-propellers-and-spinners-a-modellers-guide/ There were still some Lxxxx and Nxxxx , first two production batches, about during the BoB, but I don't recall seeing any Lxxxx or Nxxxx Hurricanes, with anything other than De Havilland units though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogsbody Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 While admiring lunarhighway's Belgian Hurricane ( http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234991347-belgian-hawker-hurricane-172/ ), I went to the Belgian Wings site http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Belgian_Aviation_History/BAFAircraft/Bafallaircraft_1919_1945.htm to look at the photos of Hurricanes there. Lunarhighway mentions in his post that the Belgian Hurricanes were fitted with the later 3-pipe exhaust, not the earlier kidney exhaust. While looking through the photos, I noticed the image posted below. Now you can't really see the exhaust pipes all that clearly, but look at the shadow cast by the exhaust pipes. Does it look to be individual outlets, like those fitted to a Kestrel engine? http://www.belgian-wings.be/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryPics/interbellum/Hawker%20Hurricane%20I/Hawker%20Hurricane%20I%20H-27.html Chris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallisti Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Lovely information about the IID, thanks, will be building one of those in the not too distant future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocksAway Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Silly question, maybe .... Was the placement of the landing lights on each wing always symmetrical with respect to their distance from the fuselage? If you look at a shot of the Hurricane at Brooklands here, you can see that the starboard landing light is further out than of the port one. I've not noticed this being the case on other head-on shots of Hurricanes I've seen. Is this an anomaly particular to this aircraft, this mark (IIa I believe) or just me not being able to count panels / assess distance? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think that's a very good question. Until proven otherwise, I suggest that it is something specific to this individual aircraft. There were different positions on the wing between the fabric-covered wing and the metal-covered wing, but I would expect symmetry on both. I've just been looking through the recent "Hurricane Survivors" but it is short of head-on views - the best is of Z2389 at Brooklands which unsurprisingly shows the same as above. There's a flying view of PZ865 which shows the port landing light to be in the same position relative to the green of the camouflage as Z2389, so I suspect that the fake red gun covering has been placed incorrectly. This would seem to be easier to do than put a landing light in the wrong position. But it would take a better view to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Silly question, maybe .... Was the placement of the landing lights on each wing always symmetrical with respect to their distance from the fuselage? If you look at a shot of the Hurricane at Brooklands here, you can see that the starboard landing light is further out than of the port one. I've not noticed this being the case on other head-on shots of Hurricanes I've seen. Is this an anomaly particular to this aircraft, this mark (IIa I believe) or just me not being able to count panels / assess distance? Thoughts? Camera lens distortion. Use of fish eye lens, perhaps with a crop on left. Hold a piece of paper up to image on screen, mark the length of black wing, hold up to white wing, white wing is approx 20% longer in image, look again, the white wig inner edge is bowed out, ie centre of pic, hence my comment about cropping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocksAway Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) I don't think it's distortion ... have a look at these ... PS I'm trying to get an answer from the folks at Brooklands, but thought I'd see if anyone was the wiser here in the meantime. Edited November 5, 2015 by ChocksAway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I don't think it's distortion ... have a look at these ... PS I'm trying to get an answer from the folks at Brooklands, but thought I'd see if anyone was the wiser here in the meantime. No, distortion. I chopped the wing out, and superimposed. This should make it clearer? it is correct fabric wing Hurricanes have the light one bay inboard of metal, by why would any restoration have them in a different position. If they do it's wrong. The pics you posted are not showing, so can't comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocksAway Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Troy Sorry about photos, my mistake with default access, hopefully now fixed above. My response re distortion is simply that the Brooklands Hurricane has asymmetric positions for sure. I'll hopefully get an answer from them. Thanks for answering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Troy Sorry about photos, my mistake with default access, hopefully now fixed above. My response re distortion is simply that the Brooklands Hurricane has asymmetric positions for sure. I'll hopefully get an answer from them. Thanks for answering. OK Graham pics showing up fine, I stand corrected! erm, my only explanation is a poor bit of restoration, the wings do not look like A wings to be honest, they appear to lack the leading edge panels that allow access to to the blast tubes etc. here's a photo of Hendon P2617 leading edge for ease of reference and the lights look funny as well I suspect the wings are replicas. HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Hi everybody, apologies for resuscitating this thread, but it contains a mine of gold nuggets, so it may help someone along the way. And for all I know, my question to come has already been answered at length somewhere within its 25 pages... So more apologies if that happens to be the case! I have asked this question in my Hurricane thread within the Hurricane GB, but so far nobody has replied... Surely it cannot be that difficult for a Hurri aficionado. Here we go: I am modelling the Revell 1/72 Hurricane Mk IIc and I have noticed while browsing some pictures that there seems to be an identification light behind the radiator, on the underside of the center fuselage. Then when I thought I had it right, I found some more photos showing three identification lights aligned span-wise, where the single one normally is. I have never built a Hurricane model and I have never been a huge fan of this plane (although this is actually changing)... so my knowledge is proving to be sketchy and I learn as I go. So, can anybody tell me if I have to drill one or three holes, and what colour the light(s) is (are) supposed to be? Thanks a bunch JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 an interesting question Jean OK this is a L1592, hanging up in the Science Museum in London, from this most useful walkround http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/mark_hayward/hurricane_mk1_l1592/index.php?Page=2 the light is amber, the patches either side are for flare tubes which were fitted to early planes. flare tube is numbered 83 in this cutaway. underside light is 82 Unsurprisingly shots of the underside of Huricanes tend to be in shadow, there is a good underside shot of a post war IIc which was part of a batch sold to post war to Iran, and this just shows the centre light. If you could post, or post links to the pictures in question that might help. HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreiman Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hi - I'm launching into building Sea Hurricane Mk Iic "Nicki". The references I have show it in overall white; white with sky undersurfaces; invasion stripes; dark grey stripes; no stripes. Any votes on what is correct? And, while I'm asking, what color should the wheel wells be painted? The other JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Definitely Sky undersurfaces, aft of the wrap-around. Definitely stripes, but may have existed earlier or later without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 erm, my only explanation is a poor bit of restoration, the wings do not look like A wings to be honest, they appear to lack the leading edge panels that allow access to to the blast tubes etc. I suspect the wings are replicas. The aircraft was in a swamp near Murmansk for 54 years so I suspect an awful lot of it is not original material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Hi Troy, this is what confused the hell out of me. Three lights on the belly of this Hurricane... Unfortunately I copied this photo while trawling the web, and I have no idea where I got that from... Maybe you can shed some light? Thanks for the picturfes you posted: most helpful! Cheers JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudioN Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The radiator shape suggests a Hurricane Mk.II and it seems to be all black. Maybe this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Hurricane_XII_RCAF_5589.jpg If so, it is (was) a Canadian-built Mk. XII. Don't know if this can explain the difference. HTH Claudio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIkeMaben Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) This photo from Wikipedia designaged as a restoration of R4118 (?) Other photos of R4118 show a single light. Edited February 29, 2016 by MIkeMaben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreiman Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Graham - thanks for the Nicki info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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