All the Hurricane questions you want to ask here

[Troy Smith]

12 hours ago, Gazontipede said:

Any ideas or opinions on the colours of the rather glossy two tone spinner seen here? Black/white, black/yellow?

 

from the blade tips, black/yellow

 

12 hours ago, Gazontipede said:

This build thread is of K1.P (NF728) on HMS Ravager and it includes (near the bottom of the thread) an interesting shot of the aircraft up on its nose showing what looks like another RP installation under the wings but lacking cannon. It looks like it is for eight RP this time. The lack of cannon is nagging at me though. Was NF728 a IIC after all?

 

yes, a IIC, from the serial, but HMS Ravager was used for training,  and as such the codes are more likely yellow.  The linked build  boxing of the Revell Sea Hurricane has these codes, but in red.

This is the standard rocket base plate, as I said the Vindex ones were ship board modifications.

12 hours ago, Gazontipede said:

Another build thread is of 'G' (I cant make out the s/n on the photos) on HMS Vindex with the four RP fit seen above.

Note the builder does not get the rail mounting right, if you google up the Aeromaster sheet it shows the serial.  

12 hours ago, Gazontipede said:

now all I have to do is find a 1/72 Sea Hurricane IIC. (IIRC both Revell & Airfix have released Sea Hurricane IICs this milennium.)

The Airfix one is the 2010 kit

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/airfixtributeforum/2010-hawker-hurricane-mkiic-1-72-t12364.html

Note, it's utter garbage, as they used some plans from what you would thinks was reliable source, I assume the F.K.Mason Hurricane book,  but wasn't, which are also rubbish. 

By rubbish, they have serious shape errors easilty visible on comparison with photos.

again, this is the stroy to this

HurricaneBentleynotescrop_zpsc6a2675f by losethekibble, on Flickr

 

problem being this info was only published back in 1980 in Scale Models,  and seems to be forgotten (hence the scan and frequent re-postings of this)

 

 

 

The Revell kit has it's faults,   but for the non-obsessed it's OK.

12 hours ago, Gazontipede said:

Does anyone have any further codes/serials for any other 'RP IICs' from either Vindex or Ravager?

 

The otehr plane in the pile up on Ravager is know, and has no codes, but, as stated these are not operational, but trainers for Firefly pilots.

 

there are more code and serial ties ups for Vindex,  but as the book is not too  hand, and in place where it's a pain to type (only got a crappy tablet) you might have to wait.

Note, the book is Escort Carrier: HMS Vindex at War 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Escort-Carrier-HMS-Vindex-War/dp/0436377055

  which has a few more pics and background on the RP fit.

And I think got mentioned in the link I provided above.

it did

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234940217-sea-hurricane-hms-vindex-with-rocketsyour-picture-question/&do=findComment&comment=1315518

 

[Gazontipede]

Thanks again Troy.

Given my (lack of) skill I think I may be able to beat the Revell offering into something vaguely acceptable as one of the Vindex air group.

[Oberleutnant]

Hi all,

 

My first post!

 

Anybody painted a Hurricane in that orange/red colour of the calibration squadron?

 

Unusual that thing is with no confirmed paint scheme.

 

I see some which are pretty much orange and some which are more of a purply/red.

[Troy Smith]

51 minutes ago, Oberleutnant said:

Hi all,

 

My first post!

 

Anybody painted a Hurricane in that orange/red colour of the calibration squadron?

 

Unusual that thing is with no confirmed paint scheme.

 

I see some which are pretty much orange and some which are more of a purply/red.

 

Yes, several models, many profiles, and has been discussed here

 

The first recorded profile was in Aircraft In Profile series.   These are old enough (mid 60's) to have been taken at face value,  and other Hurricane profiles in these (both Mk.I and Mk.IIC)  have been discussed here,  (eg Kuttlewascher's Night Reaper  see here

HTH

note this is the reason for my sig line....

 

[Oberleutnant]

34 minutes ago, Troy Smith said:

 

Yes, several models, many profiles, and has been discussed here

 

The first recorded profile was in Aircraft In Profile series.   These are old enough (mid 60's) to have been taken at face value,  and other Hurricane profiles in these (both Mk.I and Mk.IIC)  have been discussed here,  (eg Kuttlewascher's Night Reaper  see here

HTH

note this is the reason for my sig line....

 

Thanks Troy.

 

I might have a go.

 

There are some really interesting paint designs on Hurricanes!

 

I'm still on my first model in about 15 years (I'm 30).

 

Its taking me ages and I've made tons of mistakes but determined to finish it and learn as much as possible.

 

I've struggled on most things but mainly paint!

 

No brush lines is a pain.

 

Thin it too much and it looks poo-poo!

[rio]

1 hour ago, Oberleutnant said:

Hi all,

 

My first post!

 

Anybody painted a Hurricane in that orange/red colour of the calibration squadron?

 

Unusual that thing is with no confirmed paint scheme.

 

I see some which are pretty much orange and some which are more of a purply/red.

Have this one built, went for the orange that was confirmed on the units other aircraft.

 

Rich

[Oberleutnant]

1 minute ago, rio said:

Have this one built, went for the orange that was confirmed on the units other aircraft.

 

Rich

Did we have quite a few in the RAF with that scheme then?

 

I only stumbled on the pattern after reading this weeks Flypast magazine.

[rio]

There was a rotogyro used in this colour and i believe an anson too. I think it was assumed all squadron aircraft were painted this colour.

 

Rich

[Andre B]

Concerning the coming movie "Hurricane"... ...is there any good Mk.I or Mk.II Hurricane in 1/72 available today or are all kits Hurricane's that are too early or to late variants for BoB?

 

What I knew we don't have an good metalwing Mk.I for BoB available today in 1/72...

 

Cheers / André

[Drift]

Italeri have a 1/48 MK 1, but it's a dog of a kit. I dont do 1/72 so cant really help there, sorry. 

[johnd]

3 hours ago, Andre B said:

What I knew we don't have an good metalwing Mk.I for BoB available today in 1/72...

Correct. Probably your best bet would be to use the Alley Cat metal wing on the fuselage from the Airfix rag wing kit. There's an example of a build here.

 

John.

[StevSmar]

Would anyone have images of inside the cockpit of RCAF 5584 at Canada's Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa?

[tango98]

Steve,

For some reason I'm unable to PM you so could you get in touch with me around the middle of the coming week via phone or email re: my Hurricane archive?

 

Cheers

Dave

[StevSmar]

On 5/20/2018 at 12:31 PM, tango98 said:

Steve, For some reason I'm unable to PM you...Cheers Dave

Hi Dave, I sent you a PM, but I’ll also give you a call next week. Steven

[dogsbody]

On ‎5‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 9:04 AM, StevSmar said:

Would anyone have images of inside the cockpit of RCAF 5584 at Canada's Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa?

Here are a couple of CCF-built Hurricane cockpits.

 

 

 

 

Chris

[StevSmar]

2 hours ago, dogsbody said:

Here are a couple of CCF-built Hurricane cockpits...

Chris

Thanks Chris!

 

Those photos are excellent, I've not seen such nice photos of CCF cockpits before. Thank-you for sharing.

I was looking at Canada's Aviation and Space Museums Image Bank and they have a few photos of the cockpit of a particular Hurricane that's missing some instruments. I've had a friend confirm that they are photos of CASM's Hurricane cockpit.

(I like the photos you posted a lot better!!!)

[dogsbody]

Steve, these are from here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search/images

 

There are lots of other pictures of other aircraft and almost everything else Canadian.

 

 

Chris

[StevSmar]

On 5/23/2018 at 10:12 AM, dogsbody said:

Steve, these are from here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search/images

There are lots of other pictures of other aircraft and almost everything else Canadian.Chris

Thanks Chris,

I mustn’t have been on their website before, there were quite a few interesting photos I hadn’t seen before. 

 

I particularily liked the image of the Hurricane nose out from the T-hanger in the snow (The iPad doesn’t appear to allow me to post a static URL, so I’ll have to do that later unfortunately)

 

[John Masters]

That's a nice link Chris.  Lots of stuff on skis and floats...

[Troy Smith]

On 20/5/2018 at 10:08, johnd said:

Correct. Probably your best bet would be to use the Alley Cat metal wing on the fuselage from the Airfix rag wing kit. There's an example of a build here.

 

John.

the problem with the Alleycat wing is that the Airfix fabric Hurricane does not have the rectangular access hatch on the starboard side,  

as seen here for clarity

 

which early Hurricane do not have,  

(and was included, wrongly on various other fabric wing kits or as a result of using a later fuselage with a wing conversion) 

 

The planes without the hatch are the L**** and N**** serial aircraft,  the hatch being introduced in early 1940,  and is then standard on all planes.

A small point I know,  but probably tricky to add said hatch to fuselage without damaging the fabric.

 

The D-Day striped plane was used for delivering mail BTW

 

[Grey Beema]

Operation Pedestal question..

 

I have seen photographs of 880 NAS on HMS Indomitable dated as 12.08.42 with yellow tails which seems to be an identifying marking especially for Pedestal.  800 NAS were also on Indomitable with Lt Cmdr JM Bruen as CO.  Bruen fought in Hurricane Z4550/G on that day which is a Hurricane I am currently modelling.  My question is - did 800 NAS also have the Yellow tail? They should do but I don't think I have seen a photo of a 800 NAS aeroplane with a yellow tail?

 

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

[Graham Boak]

There were Yellow tails and leading edges on all Pedestal Sea Hurricanes.  Plus the Fulmars - but I've yet to see a photo of the Martlets showing that.

[Grey Beema]

1 hour ago, Graham Boak said:

There were Yellow tails and leading edges on all Pedestal Sea Hurricanes.  Plus the Fulmars - but I've yet to see a photo of the Martlets showing that.

Thanks Graham, I haven't seen a yellow tailed Martlet either so I started to wonder if it covered all squadrons.  The logic of 800 having yellow tails as well as 880 would be pretty strong.  I would assume 806's Martlet to have yellow tails as well seeing as they were also aboard Indomitable..

[Graham Boak]

There's a well-used photo of four Sea Hurricanes lined up ready for take-off during Pedestal, which is usually described as a mix of 800 and 881 aircraft because both 6 and 7 coded aircraft can be seen.  As I recall, the deck markings show the carrier to be Victorious, and the aircraft all belong to 800 Sq.  Possibly the photo belongs to the days immediately after the battle, and could even be the launch of the section that downed the Vichy airliner.  The confusion has arisen because when Martyn left 881 to become Senior Pilot on 800, at the time of 800's conversion to Sea Hurricanes, he took two of 881's aircraft with him (E and F) and they were never repainted.  These retained the Sky trim and Yellow leading edges initially applied to 881 Sq when land-based in the UK before joining Indomitable.   800 Sq re-equipped in Kenya with aircraft from FAA stocks, without the Sky and Yellow trim and with black spinners.  From memory, the lead aircraft in the photo is 6G and it has the yellow leading edges of the Pedestal instructions.

 

There's another common photo showing Indomitable in Freetown with 800 Sq on deck and both(?) "strangers".

 

As to more direct evidence, when I did an article on Pedestal Sea Hurricanes I'm sure I used photos of 800 Sq Sea Hurricanes with Yellow tails, but I'd have to go digging to confirm that.  They were not ones widely published, and it is often difficult to distinguish the yellow tail on b&w photos, given the large fin flash.  From memory, I'd suggest that the rudder has the darker camouflage and that the Yellow masquerades as the lighter one, so that's one hint.  However, the yellow leading edges are more of a give-away.

 

By blowing up the photo, I became convinced that the indistinct marking below the cockpit is the a large version of Leslie Charteris's Saint outline, but with a Byzantine halo around the head rather than the simple ring of Catholic tradition.  Owen Dinsdale told me that one SH on Indomitable had a Saint figure - I believe that this is the one.  However despite showing this around, I don't think that I convinced anyone.  Nor is it clear to me just what the colours of this outline could me.  Hey ho, can't win them all.  Drop me a pm with your e-mail if you want copies of what I've got on this point.

[Grey Beema]

1 hour ago, Graham Boak said:

There's a well-used photo of four Sea Hurricanes lined up ready for take-off during Pedestal, which is usually described as a mix of 800 and 881 aircraft because both 6 and 7 coded aircraft can be seen.  As I recall, the deck markings show the carrier to be Victorious, and the aircraft all belong to 800 Sq.  Possibly the photo belongs to the days immediately after the battle, and could even be the launch of the section that downed the Vichy airliner.  The confusion has arisen because when Martyn left 881 to become Senior Pilot on 800, at the time of 800's conversion to Sea Hurricanes, he took two of 881's aircraft with him (E and F) and they were never repainted.  These retained the Sky trim and Yellow leading edges initially applied to 881 Sq when land-based in the UK before joining Indomitable.   800 Sq re-equipped in Kenya with aircraft from FAA stocks, without the Sky and Yellow trim and with black spinners.  From memory, the lead aircraft in the photo is 6G and it has the yellow leading edges of the Pedestal instructions.

 

There's another common photo showing Indomitable in Freetown with 800 Sq on deck and both(?) "strangers".

 

As to more direct evidence, when I did an article on Pedestal Sea Hurricanes I'm sure I used photos of 800 Sq Sea Hurricanes with Yellow tails, but I'd have to go digging to confirm that.  They were not ones widely published, and it is often difficult to distinguish the yellow tail on b&w photos, given the large fin flash.  From memory, I'd suggest that the rudder has the darker camouflage and that the Yellow masquerades as the lighter one, so that's one hint.  However, the yellow leading edges are more of a give-away.

 

By blowing up the photo, I became convinced that the indistinct marking below the cockpit is the a large version of Leslie Charteris's Saint outline, but with a Byzantine halo around the head rather than the simple ring of Catholic tradition.  Owen Dinsdale told me that one SH on Indomitable had a Saint figure - I believe that this is the one.  However despite showing this around, I don't think that I convinced anyone.  Nor is it clear to me just what the colours of this outline could me.  Hey ho, can't win them all.  Drop me a pm with your e-mail if you want copies of what I've got on this point.

Thanks for your help Graham, PM on way..