The Crusty one Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I realise companies have to advertise, problem is if you are going to shout from the roof tops that, "THIS IS THE BEST EVER 109G", you kinda need to make sure it is! Otherwise you just look daft. I mean seriously - no one at Eduard thought to check the sizes? They were so convinced it was right? Thats what hubris results in - the arrogance displaces the pride, and mistakes aren't picked up. I do feel sorry for them - cus this should have been a winner. Jonners i agree with you mate,make a statement like that and you have to make sure it is what you are saying is true...problem is if the information they had in the design stage is regarded as being correct and the whole process of creating the moulds is based upon the original dimensions and anybody who querries it is told it is correct,then as far as the company is concerned it IS what they say it is.......bet you a pound to a penny it doesnt happen again though,every new realease will be checked and tripple checked...which can only be good for us!:-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Well I decided to get one of my 1/47.58 scale Eduard Gustav's out of the box and have a go this afternoon. I've got the cockpit made up and have added most of the exterior parts to the fuselage halves, the wings have been made too, all in a couple of hours. I'm not bothering with the etched bits (maybe on the next one) but the detail on the plastic parts is quite exquisite and will reward a steady hand when being painted. I have to say that it is quite an enjoyable and straightforward build despite all the accuracy faults. If you can see past the faults it is a decent kit. Duncan B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkeEins Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) ..started cutting plastic on one of mine too ...got three more Profipacks still sitting in their boxes - thought about treating it as a practise build, but at the moment I can't bring myself to look at them ! anyone fancy a swap for a new-tool Airfix Blenheim... (..now there's a model company that doesn't make godawful c*ck-ups!) Edited July 6, 2014 by FalkeEins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyrowe Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) ..started cutting plastic on one of mine too ...got three more Profipacks still sitting in their boxes - thought about treating it as a practise build, but at the moment I can't bring myself to look at them ! anyone fancy a swap for a new-tool Airfix Blenheim... (..now there's a model company that doesn't make godawful c*ck-ups!) Airfix are far from perfect. I have a lot of their 'new-tooled' kits in the stash and over half of them have 'webbing' in the clear parts. After contacting Airfix repeatedly, they have finally admitted that it is part of the process of the moulding and is unavoidable. This is only a problem with this manufacturer as I haven't found it on other kits in the stash. Kitty Hawk also have a very poor reputation with poor fit and inaccuracies. Both companies release modern, state-of-the-art kits but don't seem to get anywhere near the amout of critism that Edurad are getting. I am an Eduard fan and do have the G-6 kit and accept that there are big errors. They did shoot themselves in the foot with their huge marketing campaign and will learn from it. Eduard have and will correct it, I'm sure. They did with the MiG 15 as I am one of the ones who sent the sprues back for replacement. They have made a cock-up and admitted it but people need to give them a chance. Every single model company makes cock-ups, some on a regular basis but very few correct them. After all my waffling, my point is this: No model company is perfect. So, if you have a few Airfix kits in the stash, have a good look at the clear parts. You may get a nasty surprise and realise that Airfix are not the modelling Nirvana that you think they are !!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited July 8, 2014 by andyrowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Airfix are far from perfect. I have a lot of their 'new-tooled' kits in the stash and over half of them have 'webbing' in the clear parts. After contacting Airfix repeatedly, they have finally admitted that it is part of the process of the moulding and is unavoidable. This is only a problem with this manufacturer as I haven't found it on other kits in the stash. Every single model company makes cock-ups, some on a regular basis but very few correct them. Check out Mikemx's post in the "Lightning canopies" thread and you'll be surprised which manufacturers' canopies are also affected... Revell is a manufacturer who corrects things (at times, at least) - their large Hunter apparently had a problem with the ailerons which was corrected in later releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 One off the interesting things about this is too see how far Eduard have come. Now take their Tempest - I know its an old tool, but they still re-release it occasionally, and its not cheap either. Now when it first came out it was all Oohs and Arrs. A 1/48th Tempest at last, etc etc. No-one really had a go about the short fuselage or the too thick wings or spindly UC gear, because at the time Eduard were still pretty much "cottage industry", and it was good to have a company releasing subjects like that regardless Now, nearly some 20 years on, they are very mainstream in terms of technology and are one of the bigger boys on the block. Ergo - when they do 'eff up' ( especially when coupled with their hype raising advertising) they get big boy criticism. And rightly so. I guess one of the problems with customers is that they demand more and more, especially if you have a history of delivering the goods! So when, as will always happen, something does eventually go wrong the disappointment is more palpable. How you deal with it and keep your customers happy is the biggest test for any company. I'd say the jury's still out on that one jonners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) No-one really had a go about the short fuselage or the too thick wings or spindly UC gear, because at the time Eduard were still pretty much "cottage industry", and it was good to have a company releasing subjects like that regardless I did! I thought the Eduard Tempest was one of the most disappointing releases of the 1990s. Mind you, didn't stop me buying three as it was probably better than starting with the AMT kit. Edited July 8, 2014 by Work In Progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Now take their Tempest - I know its an old tool, but they still re-release it occasionally, and its not cheap either. Now when it first came out it was all Oohs and Arrs. A 1/48th Tempest at last, etc etc. No-one really had a go about the short fuselage or the too thick wings or spindly UC gear, because at the time Eduard were still pretty much "cottage industry", and it was good to have a company releasing subjects like that regardless You haven't even mentioned the utterly useless injection moulded cockpit "sidewalls", the resin wheels of the profi pack that were straight recasts of the styrene parts but utterly useless as - in contrast to the IM parts - couldn't have the recesses opened up, and some more utterly useless resin parts that were straight recasts of the IM parts (armour plate, IIRC). Mine is still not finished... As you say, it's to some extent a problem of the expectations they have raised by their own greatly improved work - and their drum beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And their consistent style of making dismissive and snide remarks about the people who complain about "inaccuracies"... before finally admitting that, gosh, what do you know, those people were right! bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusty one Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 seriously...u cant even look at your kits??? i know its a bit of a cock up...but please! as almost everybody on here is saying the perfect kit and the perfect manufactuer do not exist...every company in every industry makes mistakes,look at hotpoints recall of its dish washers..u know the ones that are bursting into flames!!! bit more serious than a £30 model aircraft being 3mm too big! mistakes are made, its inevitable because the human race is not infalible 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Easy there- not so crusty! He (FalkeEins) did say "at the moment"... Me, I'm too busy trying to sort out Trumpeter Spitefuls, Seafangs, Attackers (well, one on the way), Vampires, and so on to get interested in a 109 bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles87 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 seriously...u cant even look at your kits??? i know its a bit of a cock up...but please! as almost everybody on here is saying the perfect kit and the perfect manufactuer do not exist...every company in every industry makes mistakes,look at hotpoints recall of its dish washers..u know the ones that are bursting into flames!!! bit more serious than a £30 model aircraft being 3mm too big! mistakes are made, its inevitable because the human race is not infalible Don't you mean inflammable (just trying to Injet a little humour) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusty one Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Don't you mean inflammable (just trying to Injet a little humour) haha well im suprised someone aint been burnt at the stake for this heinous crime! time yet i suppose!:-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Check out Mikemx's post in the "Lightning canopies" thread and you'll be surprised which manufacturers' canopies are also affected... Revell is a manufacturer who corrects things (at times, at least) - their large Hunter apparently had a problem with the ailerons which was corrected in later releases. Which post is that? I'm confused, I've not commented on the aforementioned thread thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm sorry - it was Tbolt. At least the aircraft type was correct.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Wait Tempestfan with avatar photo of a Spitfire, citing Tbolt, I thought you were talking about Lightnings! I know, I know, this thread was really supposed to be about the Eduard 109. bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You won't claim a BT-K looks like a Spitfire (regardless of what the header says), will you ? And I'm talking about anything I have no idea of - I'm a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Hannants' website shows the Royal Class edition of Eduard's Bf109G-6 in second highest sales spot and rightly deserved too! It's actually a very nice kit. See the September issue of AMW, available in just under a month's time for my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholas mayhew Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'm sorry but the arrogance of Eduard over all this is incredible: First ridiculous hype over the best 109 ever... Then dismissing guys out of hand who have forgotten more about 109s than Eduard could ever hope to learn. Then denying it's not only incorrectly proportioned, but just too big. And then saying 'oh but we don't do measuring real aircraft...' Yes it is wonderfully engineered, yes it 'looks like a 109' (and I have nothing against modellers who are happy with that - for a number of subjects I am in exactly that camp), but for all the hoop-lah, it still has errors AND it's not the advertised scale I am disappointed - and yet not surprised - at some of the reviews it has received (I speak as an ex-reviewer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCZ Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Eduard Bf 109G-6 was repaired soon. Mr. Šulc this announced in czech discuss forum... Newly tooled parts may be available in weekend editon of Bf 109G-6. I think it is a good news ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonlanceHR Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Unless they decide that their box is too small, and try to sell us the drop tank/bomb/rack/gun pods sprue separately I for one am very interested how the corrected 109 looks. Vedran 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kahunaminor Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Eduard Bf 109G-6 was repaired soon. Mr. Šulc this announced in czech discuss forum... Newly tooled parts may be available in weekend editon of Bf 109G-6. I think it is a good news ! Any chance of a link to the forum he made this earth shattering announcement? Not that I read or understand Czech language. Regards, Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBr Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) It was mentioned few days back in the IPMS Nymburk forums where Eduard have their Q&A thread (currently full of unrelated arguments between Eduard unrelated modellers...). To give you a digest (Q are modellers, A is Mr. Šulc): Q: As we are still talking about Gustav, I'd like to ask if you already have a plan on how and when will you correct Bf-109 dimensions and whether you'll also be correcting some shape issues (nose, hump behind the canopy etc.)? And whether the new versions (F/K) will be with correct dimensions? A: Yes, we have a plan and we're already working on it. We're correcting dimensions, nose and few other things, fuselage/wing transition assembly and gear legs. Hump is a bigger issue. We need to find out where exactly is the problem and if it really is wrong. It's quite complicated actually. ... follows some discussion about the hump, where Mr. Šulc mentions a possibility of incorrectly located cross section shape somewhere behind the canopy and discussion about the canopy itself. Q: Mr. Šulc, I apologize for what maybe an unnecessary question, but it still isn't clear for me. Will you be correcting your current Bf-109G too or just the version in preparation (F, G-10, K, S-99, S-199)? A: We will correct the G-6 too. We plan to release the retooled sprues in the Weekend edition. Q: If you release retooled G-6, will there be a possibility to exchange the old sprues for the new ones? (note: like in case of MiG-15) A: Yes, it will be possible. That's about all of it. Edited August 18, 2014 by JBr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 JBr, thanks for taking the time to post the above information. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Dont expect corrected G-6 soon, it will be totally new tooling and it will take time, Friedrich should come out early next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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