garryrussell Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Looks like they removed the none radar nosecone and a stuck radar nose onto that without fitting the re profiled nose section for the usual radar set up. Some Viscounts were like that, but not so prominent (BEA) as were some ConvairLiners....these two are example of types that had a reprofied nose section, unlike the Herald for example that there was never a radar nose and the radar was stuck onto the removed endpiece giving the thimble appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgbn Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 To be honest I think its how all radar noses looked liked on all DC-4/C-54 fitted with such. All pictures I have seen so far shows this, no matter which nation used it. But it seems that Douglas decided to redesign it for the later DC-6/7 versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That would mean that the radar is stuck onto a reprofiled nose causing the slightly odd look. I thought I have seen the proper nose on C-54's...but can't be sure of that. I don't recall seeing this type on DC 6 and 7 built without radar...but there again, I've never had the cause to study it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgbn Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Maybe the main question is that the majority of all C-54 ever build was made during WWII and radar wasn't incorporated in the original design. My guess is that a suitable radar was fitted and then the radome was designed to fit the radar first. then it was faired in on the aircraft. But its only a guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Nice drawings!! However, in my eyes the tail fin looks too much backward swept. Nils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgbn Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 Nice drawings!! However, in my eyes the tail fin looks too much backward swept. Nils Hi Nils, Its optic deceiving since the aircraft tilt slightly backwards.Look much better when the fuselage is level. But I'm not sure if I'm completely happy with the drawings, has received a structural repair manual for the C-54/R5D There is a ton of measures that I need to cross check, If I do the legwork now it saves me being annoyed later and change it anyway, if I come across something important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vingtor Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I will not say that your drawings are wrong, as I have not done the legwork measuring the aircraft myself. Just telling what my ageing Mk.I eyeballs observe. There are a couple of C-54s at North Weald which could be measured though. Nils 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think it's the leading edge of the rudder which is causing the backward sweep illusion. It ought to be a bit more vertical, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Callahan Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Wasn't there some talk of a new 1:72 injection molded DC-4 coming soon? I seem to remember the subject being chewed over in the spring. But since then I haven't heard a peep. Anyone know more details, or have I finally shed my last remaining brain cell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 talk of a new 1:72 injection molded DC-4 coming soon? Yep.check Post 9 in this thread - ignore all other rumours, they are not true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgbn Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 When I win the Eurojackpot alone there certainly will be produced a new injection molded C-54/DC-4 in top notch quality Dreaming dreaming dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 This was done using a bunch of data from both Douglas an USAF manuals. Again, if anyone is working on or contemplating a 1/72 DC-4/C-54/R5D kit or conversion, I'd hold off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgbn Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Looks good. You'll need to draw in the wide steel strip around the fuselage where the inboard propellers is. http://data4.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/c-54q_56514/images/c-54q_56514_03_of_78.jpg apparently you can't direckt link to Primeportal Edited July 7, 2014 by hgbn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Venables Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Sorry, but, although I appreciate the efforts, the high quality DC 4 sounds like something containing many part most modellers will not want or need at a price few will be able to afford. Some of us won't even live that long and that is the generation that will most want it. Things are getting too complicated. I got the impression Ed's tongue was firmly in cheek when making that comment about a new DC-4...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Well maybe it was ...I was probably in a hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's official: http://www.aviationmegastore.com/douglas-c54-skymaster-expected-april-2015-048772-revell-4009803048772-airliner-model-kit/product/?shopid=LM5339a598dab0a64f01ea5347a7&action=prodinfo&parent_id=212&art=124980 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Callahan Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Finally. So glad I sold my Mach 2 version six months ago for reasonable money. I was never going to build it anyhow. Now, a Revell version... But I would like to do a civil scheme rather than military, so I'll have to start scouting for decals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltmertins Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I am sure Vintage Decals and TwoSix will have a ton of liveries for that kit once he gets one. Very nice addition to the collection. I have to have one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 It's official: Huh. What do you know about that? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Ranger Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Huh. What do you know about that? Some of us were right after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelldoc Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Yes, know it's true. 26decals has some for the DC-4. Lovely, please more soon. modelldoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Some of us were right after all! I'm sure the apology from the relevant party is coming along just any time now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Vaillant Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hello! I've just started the DC4 with the conversion kit RedRoo model and the DC6 Heller. Be careful, the drawing of the left side isn't at the good scale...! 1cm too short... So you must cut and shorten 31mm before and 17 after the wing. The total length is writing 397mm and it's right but the drawing makes 385mm long Lionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelldoc Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The new Revell kit (comes in April 2015) is actually a C-54 with big cargo door and inside only the military version. Perhaps later a liner. modelldoc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryrussell Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 All 79 DC 4-1009 also had the double rear door and looked very much like C-54, externally at least. But there must have been an internal structual difference as Aviation Trader would only modify C-54 into Carvairs. Channel Airways aircraft was discouraged as it was a DC 4 bought to convert to a Carvair and they kept it as DC4. Under pressure from above they did convert DC 4's for Ansett. The DC 4 was offered with pressurisation but none were ordered and it was basically that version of the DC 4 fuse, which was in effect a short DC 6 fuse with DC 4 ends that was used in the Canadair DC4M2/C-4 built by Canadair with Douglas assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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