Winenut Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Righto! Chocks away! Having just completed my P-39 Airacobra and having managed to get it into the cabinet of glory without further incident I turned my attention to an ugly weird Italeri FW190 that I had in the stash.......god knows why I even purchased it! Anyway....because the kit looks weird and I don't love it and thus don't care I think I am going to try some new techniques on it and see how I go. I'm thinking.. 1) it's 1:72 dont fuss too much with the interior no one sees it 2) build simply and don't get hung up on detail 3) Make it interesting in the camo irrespective of authenticity 3) and this is the big one....free-hand airbrush the camo and see how that goes!! Should be interesting Then I got to the kit itself. Damn this is THE weirdest most confused kit I've seen so far Here's the box art... I've never made a 190 so this is cool....what's that?? Figure not included....oh well who invited this guy???? Looks a bit weird but it takes all types to make a party. How's the camo going to look?? Sorry before I get to that...here's the drop tank....that applies to no version and isn't in the instructions. Now where was I? The camo....looking okay on the back box art....don't mind the light blue should look good on either version. can't wait to try a few freehand tricks on the camo.....let's check the detail on the instruction sheet Right......mmm.....no blue here ... oh...righto....must be this one....nek minnit..... deary me...more light ghost grey!... Oh well.....not to worry. Anyway here's the sprues.....and at least I'm definitely not hung up on authenticity with this build! Edited June 4, 2014 by Winenut 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I laughed out loud with your presentation about the mysterious pilot! bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share Posted June 1, 2014 I laughed out loud with your presentation about the mysterious pilot! bob Good one Bob! Very weird kit this one so may as well not take it all too seriously cheers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I think that they called for Light Ghost Grey because Model Master had not come out with their range of RLM colours yet. Note the 'near equivalents' for the other colours. You'll want RLM 81 and 82/83 if you want the proper colours on your model. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 Thanks Jessica I guess the problem I have is the box art on the back notes "Light Blue" for the underside and the internal instructions call for light ghost grey. It's all very confusing so I guess I'll have to get off my backside and do a bit of research. Thanks for your tips.....much appreciated! Maybe if things are looking good on construction I'll look for an XTRADECAL sheet and choose a version and scheme for the camo from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I forgot to mention that the light blue is RLM 76, and I'm a bit dubious about the callout for RLM 73. Remember that this kit dates from the 1980s, when research into Luftwaffe colour schemes had yet to uncover a lot of the late war information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 What's going on with the wings? The wings on the box art look like those from a TA154, but the kit wings look too stubby for a D9. Definitely an oddity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Yeah I reckon I may as well do a what if version in bright purple and orange... because this kit is weird! Have to also say so far it is singularly the worst engineered kit I have ever made so it would come as no surprise that overall there's plenty of accuracy errors! The cockpit was just a wing and a prayer, no angles set up, limited locating pins, no real idea how it was supposed to sit in the fuselage especially the control panel. There's flash everywhere, big gates on the pieces where the sprues attach, conflicting box art on front and back and then that conflicts with the camo colours on the instructions inside. There's "No Figure Included" on the front of the box then there's this weird blob of a pilot inside that may as well just shout "surprise!" when you open the box and be done with it. There's a mysterious drop tank that's not used. Painting instructions have indicated all the undercarriage stuff is painted "pale green".... and that's just a start! It's HILARIOUS!!! Anyway as I said I'm going to smash it together and practice what I'm interested in on this one and that's simply having a go with a free-hand camo......now where is my purple paint..... Edited June 4, 2014 by Winenut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabat Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Humbrol 127 (Light Ghost Grey) is actually quite a close match for RLM 76! It could do with a tiny drop of Humbrol 65 but is otherwise good. This does seem to be a strange model, I would not be taking it so good humouredly! I look forward to seeing your build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Thanks for the tips Parabat. I'm not fussed with the build ...I actually want to clear my least favourite kit in the stash and just make it up without too much fuss. After two builds which I was trying quite hard to do well I'm just cruising and having a laugh and if she ends up in the bin...well.....no-one is going to die. More posts and photo's soon Chocks away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 $ 16.95 is a rather hefty price tag... The "no figure included" disclaimer probably stems from the fact that this likely was the last kit Italeri tooled that had (sort of) a pilot included - way back when in 1979 or something (note that this also may have been the last aircraft kit they issued to sport their original "Italaerei" name). This probably also accounts for the confused painting instructions, the stuff on the box may come from the first issue (I'd have to check) while the instructions were progressively updated/amended. Over the years Italeri recycled part of the kit to form the basis for an A-8, that's probably where the tank (and I seem to spot a second ETC) came in - usually in those cases, parts not used will be crossed out in the parts diagram. And may I tell you what - Italeri likes to confuse, 'cause in a number of cases where they have "family mouldings", the same parts numbers are alloted twice (those not for use should then be crossed in the layout diagram), while the instructions tell you "not to use parts x, y and z" - which do not exist in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 $ 16.95 is a rather hefty price tag... The "no figure included" disclaimer probably stems from the fact that this likely was the last kit Italeri tooled that had (sort of) a pilot included - way back when in 1979 or something (note that this also may have been the last aircraft kit they issued to sport their original "Italaerei" name). This probably also accounts for the confused painting instructions, the stuff on the box may come from the first issue (I'd have to check) while the instructions were progressively updated/amended. Over the years Italeri recycled part of the kit to form the basis for an A-8, that's probably where the tank (and I seem to spot a second ETC) came in - usually in those cases, parts not used will be crossed out in the parts diagram. And may I tell you what - Italeri likes to confuse, 'cause in a number of cases where they have "family mouldings", the same parts numbers are alloted twice (those not for use should then be crossed in the layout diagram), while the instructions tell you "not to use parts x, y and z" - which do not exist in the first place. Thanks for that Tempestfan. Clearly Italeri got their act together at some point! I agree the price tag is a bit much for the quality but oh well......not my best buy and I'm going to have some fun anyway. I'm looking to travel to Italy in the not too distant future and apart from the architecture and history and food and wine .....I think it would be cool to visit the Italeri HQ in Bologna...if they take visitors! Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkeEins Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 always enjoyed building the Italeri Dora - it has a half-decent cockpit for one. Needs strengthening strips on the fuselage as one obvious add... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) always enjoyed building the Italeri Dora - it has a half-decent cockpit for one. Needs strengthening strips on the fuselage as one obvious add... Seriously is that the same kit?? I mean really,,,,,exactly the same 1:72 scale??? Because yours looks great! Edited June 3, 2014 by Winenut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You've got the right attitude anyway, have some fun with it and try some new techniques. It might even turn out as nice as FalkeEins one. Duncan B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 While RLM76 may have been called light blue by someone, it's not really a blue but a light blue/grey, so the instructions are correct when they say RLM76 and in a sense are not too wrong when they suggest to use light ghost grey, as this is a light blue grey too. They're also not too wrong in suggesting the use of a pale green for the undercarriage, as here they were probably thinking of RLM 02, a colour commonly used for undercarriage legs and wheel wells in WW2 Luftwaffe aircrafts. They are however wrong in suggesting RLM7 73 and 74 for the top surfaces ! These could have been in 83/75 or 82/83 or other late war combinations. I'm not surprised by the engineering and the flash, this is afterall quite an old mould. When it was first issued it was the best Fw.190-D on the market, today it's been superceded by othes but back then it was considered a good kit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) While RLM76 may have been called light blue by someone, it's not really a blue but a light blue/grey, so the instructions are correct when they say RLM76 and in a sense are not too wrong when they suggest to use light ghost grey, as this is a light blue grey too. They're also not too wrong in suggesting the use of a pale green for the undercarriage, as here they were probably thinking of RLM 02, a colour commonly used for undercarriage legs and wheel wells in WW2 Luftwaffe aircrafts. They are however wrong in suggesting RLM7 73 and 74 for the top surfaces ! These could have been in 83/75 or 82/83 or other late war combinations. I'm not surprised by the engineering and the flash, this is afterall quite an old mould. When it was first issued it was the best Fw.190-D on the market, today it's been superceded by othes but back then it was considered a good kit Wow.....thanks for that Giorgio. I really appreciate the feedback from yourself and others. I actually put some more together on the kit and it's somehow coming together! About time I put up some more pics Cheers Edited June 4, 2014 by Winenut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 You could build the Airfix 1979 190D-9 as a companion. It is a bit simpler and generally less detailed than the Italeri, but IIRC it was considered to have a small edge over the other. Coming back to RLM 76, "Lichtblau" seems to be the official designation, though I have some reservations (but am not particularly interested in Luftwaffe camou). Lichtblau is not a particularly sensible term in German (true, a certain part of the light spectrum is blue), and I have never seen any other light or pale colour being titled "Licht-". To me it sounds rather more like the false pick of one of the meanings of "light" in German, "Licht" instead of "Hell-" (like pale). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Righto! Chocks away! Here's some of the progress with plenty of pics Here's the cockpit and the fuse ready to get it on... I know it's not a great pic but can anyone tell how the back of the instrument panel is supposed to attach to the general cockpit thing....you know...the green bits? Here's the weird engine cover in place...leaving me with plenty of filling and sanding.... Imagine what you could shoot down with guns like these! Oh!...and here's the upper and lower wing locators..... pin and hole......sleeve of wizard stylin' oh well.......4 guns are better than 2...right? four piece bomd thing looks okay....only about 5 more pieces to go and I can attach it! Following the great instructions I painted the wrong side of the undercarriage thing! Seriously ....that's a hard cockpit to see ANYTHING isn't int? Funnily enough ...after all the crap....the wings went on pretty well and it's sort of coming together with a good splash of Mr Surfacer. More to come soon.....who knows which way this one will go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 You could build the Airfix 1979 190D-9 as a companion. It is a bit simpler and generally less detailed than the Italeri, but IIRC it was considered to have a small edge over the other. Coming back to RLM 76, "Lichtblau" seems to be the official designation, though I have some reservations (but am not particularly interested in Luftwaffe camou). Lichtblau is not a particularly sensible term in German (true, a certain part of the light spectrum is blue), and I have never seen any other light or pale colour being titled "Licht-". To me it sounds rather more like the false pick of one of the meanings of "light" in German, "Licht" instead of "Hell-" (like pale). I'm no expert but I have seen the term "Hell Blau"........I think in reference to some Vajello acrylics in Luftwaffe colours. Appreciate the thoughts and input Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroRacing Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Not to take away from a great start on this kit but the Cockpit should be RLM 66 not RLM 02. Revell's 77 is a close shade to RLM 66 whereas I use Revell's 45 for RLM 02. Also I believe hellblau is the name for RLM 65 and Lichtblau is RLM 76. Edited June 4, 2014 by MetroRacing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share Posted June 5, 2014 Not to take away from a great start on this kit but the Cockpit should be RLM 66 not RLM 02. Revell's 77 is a close shade to RLM 66 whereas I use Revell's 45 for RLM 02. Also I believe hellblau is the name for RLM 65 and Lichtblau is RLM 76. Thanks heaps metro. I'll check that out and maybe update a bit of paint on the kit....easy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroRacing Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 No probs. Glad it wasn't too late. Though it's your build so if you want to paint it yellow with black stripes and call it a bee who's to stop you. I have a large list of RLM colours and a corresponding Humbrol, Revell or Mix. However Airfix's new RLM colours have sunk my battleship. Though I've yet to try them to see if I like them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 Not to take away from a great start on this kit but the Cockpit should be RLM 66 not RLM 02. Revell's 77 is a close shade to RLM 66 whereas I use Revell's 45 for RLM 02. Also I believe hellblau is the name for RLM 65 and Lichtblau is RLM 76. Spot on MR. I checked this and your 65 and 76 callout is just right. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winenut Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) So much for just having some fun on a kit that looked a bit crappy. Checked it all out and went and got these... First RLM colours and first testors/model master paints I've used This is sort of how the colours look... This is the hidden ip in case you'd forgotten Got on spraying some of the gelb (yellow) More soon if my photo facebook thingy starts working! Edited June 14, 2014 by Winenut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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