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AMK 88004 1/48 Fouga CM.170 Magister Developing Processes

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Looks nice, and I'll definitely buy one, but why can't anyone get the Magister seat right? It didn't have a 'seat cushion', just an empty 'pan' for a seat parachute, same as the Spitfire.....

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/fouga_cm.170_mt35/index.php?Page=2

http://www.wingsovereurope.com/light%20military%20aircraft%20gallery_5/Fouga%20Magister...Albert%202005%20(6).jpg

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/awa01/201-300/awa242-BAF-Magister-MT-24/00.shtm

http://www.eaa1000.av.org/pix/fouga/fouga.htm

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Homebee Blabber Mouth

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I just have had a close look at your last test shot pictures. The upper canopy shape is round not square... I mean the canopy of your test shot show a trapezoidal cross-section where the pictures from the Fougas show a curve.

Source: http://www.eaa1000.av.org/pix/fouga/fouga.htm

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Yea! Right!

Next time, should post here during 3D design stage.

Well, to be fair, that is difficult to see in your CAD images. In particular the earlier ones with the whole, virtually assembled model look ok, the photos of the real plastic show more of a square than before...

Anyway, I'm wondering why you chose to use metal parts? I would't have thought a 1:48 Magister was a particularly large and heavy model?

Just curious... It certainly looks like a great kit with plenty of well-thought out detail, I'll definitely check it out once it's released. Did you produce the scale drawings yourself in the research process or did you use existing drawings?

Now how about that MiG-31??

Cheers

Jeffrey

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Anyway, I'm wondering why you chose to use metal parts? I would't have thought a 1:48 Magister was a particularly large and heavy model?

Just curious... It certainly looks like a great kit with plenty of well-thought out detail, I'll definitely check it out once it's released. Did you produce the scale drawings yourself in the research process or did you use existing drawings

Now how about that MiG-31??

Well, metal parts are kind of testing, for 3 reasons:

1. some very small part are easier to produce than plastic (some plastic parts may have to enlarge the dimensions)

2. the steel frame of the from wheel are too thin. metal frames should be stronger than plastic.

3. to get some metal feeling of some parts. like the engine exhaust area. just simple polish the part.

It is basically not for the purpose of heavy kits.

I may put some update information about MIG-31 here, so that, everyone can check if there is mistake or not.

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" " <- speechless. :blink:

That's some impressive detail in that skinny fuselage. I would think that even people with no interest in the Magister would be itching to get this kit from looking at those test build images :wub: Hopefully it's not too late to fix the canopy shape? :pray:

Good work Sio and the team :clap2:

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" " <- speechless. :blink:

That's some impressive detail in that skinny fuselage. I would think that even people with no interest in the Magister would be itching to get this kit from looking at those test build images :wub: Hopefully it's not too late to fix the canopy shape? :pray:

Good work Sio and the team :clap2:

Haha. Mike, it was really quite a challenge to solve all the assembly problem inside this tiny fuselage.

It is really a bit late to fix the canopy. Actually, it is not that serious as shown in that picture.

Forgot to reply your e-mail, you will get 2 advance samples of this.

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Likewise, see:

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=753&q=fouga+magister+seat&oq=fouga+magister+seat&gs_l=img.3...3902.8401.0.8898.19.16.0.3.0.0.283.2046.6j8j2.16.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.58.img..4.15.1951.u2gAmDAP9OA#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Khu34fBJHhZypM%253A%3Ba0ZLBbgwUEPJMM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.aviation-dream.com%252Fimages%252FAlb_pieces%252F140120_Siege_Fouga.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.aviation-dream.com%252FAlb_pieces%252F140120_Siege_Fouga.html%3B500%3B500

https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1440&bih=753&q=fouga+magister+seat&oq=fouga+magister+seat&gs_l=img.3...3902.8401.0.8898.19.16.0.3.0.0.283.2046.6j8j2.16.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.58.img..4.15.1951.u2gAmDAP9OA#facrc=_&imgdii=Khu34fBJHhZypM%3A%3B-8-RQlsep7eXJM%3BKhu34fBJHhZypM%3A&imgrc=Khu34fBJHhZypM%253A%3Ba0ZLBbgwUEPJMM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.aviation-dream.com%252Fimages%252FAlb_pieces%252F140120_Siege_Fouga.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.aviation-dream.com%252FAlb_pieces%252F140120_Siege_Fouga.html%3B500%3B500

The aircraft in the first of the links in the e-mail quoted above clearly show both a seat with an empty seat 'pan' (page 2) and one with the parachute still in place in the seat 'pan' (page 5), however as far as I’m aware it was not standard practice to leave this item of equipment in the aircraft. Most of the photos in the third link also show an 'empty' seat, but the apparently ‘padded’ seat visible in photo 29 I’m afraid I can’t explain – perhaps the example photographed is a privately-owned ‘warbird’ rather than an ‘in-service’ aircraft?

The book published a couple of years ago by Joe Maxwell/Radu Brinzan (‘Fouga Magister, An Irish Perspective’), which is an excellent reference on the type, contains a photograph showing a Fouga pilot wearing a parachute about to board the aircraft; from this it can readily be seen that the seat couldn’t possibly also have a cushion. (Unless perhaps the pilot was of very short stature and needed it to see over the instrument panel!!??)

I’ve seen both Irish Air Corps and Luftwaffe examples of the Fouga Magister, and in all cases the seat fitted was of the type illustrated in the above links (i.e., with a padded back and an empty seat pan to accommodate the pilot’s/trainee’s parachutes). Recent reviews/builds of the Wingman boxing of the Kinetic kit would also suggest that this seat type was standard for the Fouga, see:

http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/reviews/kits/wingman48008reviewme_1.htm

http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/galleries/magister48ts1.htm

http://originalundmodell.de/modelle/fougas.htm

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Laurent Very Obsessed Member

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I may put some update information about MIG-31 here, so that, everyone can check if there is mistake or not.

Trumpeter has announced that they're planning to do MiG-31s. Please don't give up yours Sio. Your project is probably more advanced than theirs and you make efforts to make a pretty accurate model.

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Trumpeter has announced that they're planning to do MiG-31s. Please don't give up yours Sio. Your project is probably more advanced than theirs and you make efforts to make a pretty accurate model.

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Thank you! Guys. It is in progress.......

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