Wez Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Panoz, Thanks for the clarification re R-2000 engined C-47's. I'll have to dig out the reference which mentioned the inaccuracy of the cowling, I think it was an old PAM from when the Italeri and Esci kits first came out way back in the day... ...regardless of this information, the Italeri cowlings never looked right. Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I would agree the panel lines are far too deep, judging by the review model, but the mouldings I saw at Cosford look good enough to mme. I am no fan of overdone panel lines and if need be I can wield a jar of Mr Surfacer to make it 'me friendly' Overall the kit components I saw gave me reason to be buying it. bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddy Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I would agree the panel lines are far too deep, judging by the review model, but the mouldings I saw at Cosford look good enough to mme. I am no fan of overdone panel lines and if need be I can wield a jar of Mr Surfacer to make it 'me friendly' Overall the kit components I saw gave me reason to be buying it. bill The Airfix Mag reviewer did note in his review that "some" of the panel lines were a little deep. However, I, like you, do not believe that this would make it a deal breaker. I'll certainly have one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I'll probaly have 3!! Got some schemes for them in mind! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddy Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 As I said above, I'll definitely have one for my collection of 10 Sqn aircraft. At he end of hostilities 10 Sqn relinquished their Halifaxs and converted to Dakotas. I've being keeping an eye out for photographic and other references for this but so far have not turned anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Slightly tangentially, as we are in the cowling area, you might find this discussion of various fixed cowl flap options interesting (especially as it has pics with it). http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/396331-dc-3-cowl-flaps.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Thanks for that link- an aspect I'd never known about! bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Looking at the aircraft in this link http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo_en.asp?id=256903 it is evident the panel lines are prominent as are the raised rivets, please note, this is a real aeroplane with no pre-shading, all that muck and weathering is accumulated along prominent features on the airframe - real aircraft do that you know (I'm an aircraft engineer, pre-shading irks me as it's not how real aircraft are painted ) Wez I think it's not so much a question of whether such panel lines and accumulated dirt exist but how they look in scale and at scale distance. That photograph is quite close to the aircraft but if reduced to scale and viewed from, say, a scale 72 feet much of that gubbins would disappear to the eye. Almost half a century ago it was common to ruthlessly sand every rivet and panel line off an Airfix kit and work towards a smooth, unblemished form that imitated the aircraft design models of the time rather than the real thing - panel lines were just ignored rather than re-scribed. Frog, now sometimes scorned for their simplicity and lack of surface detail were appreciated at the time for precisely that. They were usually built to look like models rather than the super realism seen today but sometimes that super realism seems to stray into the territory of the unreal with the aircraft looking as if it has flown through a coal mine explosion and needs the services of a good chimney sweep! Nick 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 .......... stray into the territory of the unreal with the aircraft looking as if it has flown through a coal mine explosion and needs the services of a good chimney sweep! Nick Precisely what I think! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 And another thing... since when have national markings/insignia been able to repel grime, paint chipping, staining etc!!! They stand out a mile looking so pristine against a well 'sooted up' finish!! An example is the 24th Typhoon featured elsewhere. Beautifully finished and kudos to the modeller, excep tfor the markings which have somehow remained clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 National pride, old boy, eh what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truro Model Builder Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I have to agree with the prevailing view here. Highlighting panel lines, when done correctly, enhances the look of a kit no end, but too many are completed with dark washes that make the subject look like somebody has been at it with a marker pen. A light grey fighter jet with thick black panel lines looks terrible, frankly . Sorry. And unfortunately some inexperienced modellers are left with the impression that they need to do it as well, with predictable results. But to complain about trenches and troughs and then still wash it to within an inch of its life... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 viewed from, say, a scale 72 feet much of that gubbins would disappear to the eye. As it happens, I once took a photo of that very aircraft from about 72 feet away and yes, indeed, it looks quite different. It should be noted that it has sat in this museum for many years without being cleaned and doesn't really look that 'in-service' any more. I felt like using my finger to inscribe a message in the dirt - "Hola chicos, me dan un lavado" x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) The box art now has the profiles for the decal options added: http://www.airfix.com/shop/productimage/?ImageID=424381&ProductID=30649 http://www.airfix.com/shop/new-for-2014/172-scale-military-aircraft/a08014-douglas-dakota-c-47-ad-skytrain-172/ The polar ski version is very interesting too Edited May 8, 2014 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard M Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Airfix 1/72 Douglas Dakota C-47 A/D Skytrain A08014 is available on the Airfix Website now. http://www.airfix.com/shop/new-for-2014/172-scale-military-aircraft/a08014-douglas-dakota-c-47-ad-skytrain-172/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted May 12, 2014 Author Share Posted May 12, 2014 Airfix 1/72 Douglas Dakota C-47 A/D Skytrain A08014 is available on the Airfix Website now. http://www.airfix.com/shop/new-for-2014/172-scale-military-aircraft/a08014-douglas-dakota-c-47-ad-skytrain-172/ Thanks Richard, I'm waiting to hear from our friends in the north-west, they have it at a discounted price. Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) As for the highlighting of such lines WHY!!??? To me preshading is like putting on dirty underwear then dressing up!! Study pics of worn Daks and compare to models one will see that dark lines hardly appear. I only ever accentuate moving or opening items on aircraft like hatches, doors, flaps ailerons etc!! Ditto, albeit with the proviso that if the lines are visible on the real thing I'll try and emulate it (it does happen on some subjects). The whole panel line accentuation fashion isn't as over the top these days as it was about ten years back, but is still over present to me. Done well and with subtlety it's fine, but over do it and while it might make for a good looking model, it doesn't make for a true to subject one. Edited May 13, 2014 by mumbles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 (edited) I read through the build in the latest AMW and, unfortunately, I was dissapointed almost immediately the big exposed radial engines dont have the same detail as on the swordfish and the really dissapointing thing is the panel lines...The panel lines look huge! Looks like its made out of cement slabs when compared against the real thing. IMO they would have been better off making the panel lines much lighter and accentuating the rivet lines.Ben Edited May 24, 2014 by wellsprop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Just got mine - at a quick look the panel lines are too deep and wide (they should in fact be lines of rivets, but that must make for an expensive tooling job) but they aren't anywhere as horrendous as the build in Airfix Magazine makes them look. Now - do I use Mr Surfacer or plastic sprue this time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsprop Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Just got mine - at a quick look the panel lines are too deep and wide (they should in fact be lines of rivets, but that must make for an expensive tooling job) but they aren't anywhere as horrendous as the build in Airfix Magazine makes them look. Now - do I use Mr Surfacer or plastic sprue this time? Looking forward to seeing it in the Work In Progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 The lines are the same on All new tool Airfix kits and why is the Dak being picked on and not the Lightning or Spitfire or Lanc for example, that have exactly the same size panel lines and they haven't been slammed about the surface lines!!!!..I ask you . I bet you 'negative ' people that the Blenheims and Dornier, Swift Gnat and so on will have the same detail and how many will rave about them or carve them up !! So, go out and tell the owners of the real DC-3/C-47 that their panel lines are wrong!! Its the ESCI one that had recessed lines where rivet lines should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . So much negativity going on!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 why is the Dak being picked on tell the owners of the real DC-3/C-47 that their panel lines are wrong so much negativity going on 1. Probably because of that build in Airfix magazine. if you like that style of modelling I'm not going to tell you that you are being negative. Many people must like the 'Spanish style' of line-marking or you would never see it. 2. I'm sure I have been as close to as many real DC-3's as you have and all I saw was rivets. 3. Compared to what? The Eduard Bf109G-6? Give me a chance to build the kit and then I'll talk about positivity and negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroubos Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) As it happens, both my ESCI kits seem to be missing the canopy windows - pilfered by my dad when he was building a vac DC-2! I've tried to source replacements but to no avail, so I won't be building either one of those it seems... If the panel lines on this new kit are the same as on other recent Airfix releases, the problem may not be as bad as I feared. Looking forward to seeing some builds before I get one myself though. OT: forum bug? can't change my font back to Arial... Edited May 28, 2014 by sroubos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 The DC-3/C-47/R4D has skin joints (lapped joints) as well as rows (and rows, and rows) of mushroom head rivets. Why do we always have to have this same tired argument *EVERY* time *EVERY* new kit comes out? Some people like deep, wide panel lines, and some don't. One is not right and one is not wrong. Can we just get on with life? If you don't like what someone else has written about something, just ignore it for heaven's sake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Why do we always have to have this same tired argument *EVERY* time *EVERY* new kit comes out? Some people like deep, wide panel lines, and some don't. One is not right and one is not wrong. Can we just get on with life? If you don't like what someone else has written about something, just ignore it for heaven's sake. Nobody's making you read this, or comment on it. Perhaps you could consider following your own advice and ignoring it? Andrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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