Caution Wake Turbulence Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Saw this build over on ARC and thought I'd share it. I've just got this kit, but somehow I don't think mine will turn out anything like this good! http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=274515&pid=2604576&st=0entry2604576 Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaker Posted April 15, 2014 Share Posted April 15, 2014 Nice share Andrew, always good to see a newish kit built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardL Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Talk about over weathering. Geez. Looks more like a tank or a marine aircraft that has been at sea for years without being washed than a land based aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenH Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) Hardly overweathered. In fact some of the airliners i fly are more weathered than that Mig-29. Over weathered..far from it. http://www.aviation4u.de/gallery/Deutschland/Lfz-MiG29/04-013-19.jpg http://hqwide.com/wallpapers/l/1920x1080/11/aircraft_mig_29_fulcrum_russian_air_force_1920x1080_10701.jpg http://qa.operatorchan.org/v/src/133183417587.jpg Mig-29's work hard and harder in Russia where many are not kept in hangars. I think a trip to an airport is in order to look at real aeroplanes.. Not sure what ship this is but it looks like an Su-27 to me. http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2012-4/25/205765.jpg Edited April 18, 2014 by DarrenH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I've yet to see a real fighter jet with striped panel lines. Not a single one in 40+ years of looking at them. Nice model, but it looks like a caricature of a MiG-29 to my eye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's a wonder anyone dares to display their efforts, when there are people so willing to dismiss them! Ok, so the finish isn't to your taste, does that really negate all other aspects of the model? I've seen far worse examples of over-weathering, but not that many examples of superior model-building skill... Andrew 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaker Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 It's a wonder anyone dares to display their efforts, when there are people so willing to dismiss them! Ok, so the finish isn't to your taste, does that really negate all other aspects of the model? I've seen far worse examples of over-weathering, but not that many examples of superior model-building skill... Andrew Good point, well put. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treker_ed Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 its overly negative comments like those above that have stopped me from posting any of my builds on here. its a beatifully built example of the aircraft type. and above all, its the builders interpretation of the subject. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Kelley Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Well- I like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardL Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I, on the other hand, will gladly welcome and appreciate negative comments on any of my models so I can do a better job next time. I learn best from my mistakes. On my online builds, I have always asked the readers to provide feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Delta 210 Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 its overly negative comments like those above that have stopped me from posting any of my builds on here. its a beatifully built example of the aircraft type. and above all, its the builders interpretation of the subject. Please don't be put off from posting. I am a very average builder and have never received such negative comments. What I have received has been constructive and supportive. I would definitely like to see some of your work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 It's a wonder anyone dares to display their efforts, when there are people so willing to dismiss them! Ok, so the finish isn't to your taste, does that really negate all other aspects of the model? I've seen far worse examples of over-weathering, but not that many examples of superior model-building skill... Andrew When did expressing an opinion on something (anything) become the same as "dismissing" it? I don't get it. I don't like lite beer or McDonalds "food" either. Is that not okay with you? I prefer colors other than white for my car. Is it not okay with you if I dismiss white from consideration in my car purchases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomjw Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 When did expressing an opinion on something (anything) become the same as "dismissing" it? I don't get it. I don't like lite beer or McDonalds "food" either. Is that not okay with you? I prefer colors other than white for my car. Is it not okay with you if I dismiss white from consideration in my car purchases? Maybe you should consider how you express your opinion. You do come across as overly critical. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted April 20, 2014 Author Share Posted April 20, 2014 It's not the opinion being expressed, rather the way in which it is expressed that I have an issue with. A little bit of civility, maybe even humility, goes a long way... Andrew 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treker_ed Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 I, on the other hand, will gladly welcome and appreciate negative comments on any of my models so I can do a better job next time. I learn best from my mistakes. On my online builds, I have always asked the readers to provide feedback. there are quite specific rules laid out in the ready for inspection section, but to summerise, constructive comments are welcome, but dont criticise the build. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 there are quite specific rules laid out in the ready for inspection section, but to summerise, constructive comments are welcome, but dont criticise the build. Totally agree, If he spoke like that in public I doubt he'd have many friends wanting to sit and have coffee with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Beastie Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 That's a good build :-) I too have this kit in my stash, I'd be only too pleased if mine turned out to be half as good :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llking Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I have to agree with Darren the Mig is far from being over weathered, all it takes is a little bit of research before jumping to conclussions. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 On the whole that's a pretty impressive build. Not to heavily weather by some real examples of German 29's I have seen. I must admit to not being a great fan of coloured in panel lines as these are not normally seen. Though for every comment normally there is photo to prove you wrong. Looking at this pic link posted above by DarrenH http://hqwide.com/wallpapers/l/1920x1080/11/aircraft_mig_29_fulcrum_russian_air_force_1920x1080_10701.jpg you can see the panel lines on the nose for certain! For things down to personal taste I generally tend not to comment on, if there is a glaring build error then yes. As to the critique rules here you can criticise the build, The critiquing is limited to the build itself, not the accuracy of the kit or the subject matter. If the paint scheme is out, or the original kit/aftermarket accessory for example a cowling or spinner is the wrong shape, so be it, point it out politely but its not a big issue if the builder cannot get the right paint colour etc. As its on another site I think we might all be getting a little bent out of shape about it. Personally I don't like seeing over critical remarks being made, and if you are going to make them do it in a constructive way. Finally thanks to Andrew for the link, don't get on ARC so much these days and I missed this one. Julien 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 just look at this one here: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29-(9-12)/1141287/L/&sid=d35d689cb812ccc827df886e2c8d7039 I think it could actually be the same bird! just the red star is newly applied! Fabulous fulcrum model imho!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Jephcott Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Hardly overweathered. In fact some of the airliners i fly are more weathered than that Mig-29. Over weathered..far from it. http://www.aviation4u.de/gallery/Deutschland/Lfz-MiG29/04-013-19.jpg http://hqwide.com/wallpapers/l/1920x1080/11/aircraft_mig_29_fulcrum_russian_air_force_1920x1080_10701.jpg http://qa.operatorchan.org/v/src/133183417587.jpg Mig-29's work hard and harder in Russia where many are not kept in hangars. I think a trip to an airport is in order to look at real aeroplanes.. Not sure what ship this is but it looks like an Su-27 to me. http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2012-4/25/205765.jpg Agree - I spend most of my days in aircraft, surrounded by aircraft and flying them too. I'm yet to see one that is clean - even when straight out of the factory. My old flight instructor many years ago said: "Aircraft are just like babies. There is something also oozing, seeping, spurting, pouring, dripping, dribbling or being expelled quite quickly". Never were more true words ever spoken! Personally, I like how he has done the weathering. I know weathering is not to everyones taste - but if you want a realistic build of an aircraft in action, then it goes without saying. Most importantly though, the builder has done a much better job on that kit than I would be capable of doing. So well done to him! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardL Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 there are quite specific rules laid out in the ready for inspection section, but to summerise, constructive comments are welcome, but dont criticise the build. This is not the ready for inspection section. We add white to paints to reduce saturation for scale effect. Similarly, we also need to tone down weathering a tad for scale effect. The weathering on a dirty aircraft when viewed from a distance appears to blend together and somewhat subdued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 This is not the ready for inspection section. We add white to paints to reduce saturation for scale effect. Similarly, we also need to tone down weathering a tad for scale effect. The weathering on a dirty aircraft when viewed from a distance appears to blend together and somewhat subdued. Your comment was no different than walking up to a person and kicking him in the nuts. It doesn't matter where you do it, it was poorly executed. Sadly, you don't see that you lacked any discretion or tact in your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 This is not the ready for inspection section. Well, that is clearly true, but I don't think it's particularly relevant here. I am not, and I don't think others are, trying to discourage constructive criticism. Britmodeller would be a pretty anodyne place if that were so. On the other hand, I don't think we want it to descend to the level of the YouTube comments section (thankfully, we are a long way from that). As I said before, some good manners go a long way. I happen to agree that the panel lines are a little over-emphasised, but that doesn't detract a great deal from that fact that it's a very well put together model. Andrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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