robvulcan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 That was rather painless and I feel that when blended it will be and improvement. Looks more vulcany now. I will let that glue cure off then its not far off milliput time.
woody37 Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Loving this renovation / upgrade Rob, great work on those intakes 1
robvulcan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 Loving this renovation / upgrade Rob, great work on those intakes Cheers Woody great to hear from you sorry about the debarkle the other day. Yep it's great fun this I just can't wait for the next phase. Get this one done first then the real fun starts on this WIP
perdu Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 getting kinda nice now Rob (oh arr, just heard I might be at Cosford after all. See ya) 1
robvulcan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 getting kinda nice now Rob (oh arr, just heard I might be at Cosford after all. See ya) Cheers mate and that's great news always good to have a natter to you mate. I am so excited about Cosford this year. I want to enjoy it and make sure I am awake which makes me wonder if I'll have out new for the Show outside of my micro XH558. I love Cosford it's such a good show with all the real gear around too. Not long now. Cheers Rob 1
toms111s Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 This looks ace Rob, I love your work on the intakes. I might have to have a go at making a set for the 1/200 scale Dragon B2 that I have sat in my 'to do' pile. 1
robvulcan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 This looks ace Rob, I love your work on the intakes. I might have to have a go at making a set for the 1/200 scale Dragon B2 that I have sat in my 'to do' pile. Glad you like it, cool what's up with the Dragon intakes It would be easy to make some resin copies however I might do myself as I have built over 20 of those now with plenty on the stash, there is an issue with the forward intake on them it's not bad but it's. Not right. I modded one on here though you might find it interesting I am modding 3 to B1s but I corrected the forward intake on the one and have plans to narrow the other 2. It's all good fun mucking around with kits. I particularly love this Frog Kit I wish they where not rare as it's such a peach of a kit. Makes it extra special though. Cheers Rob
Sea Vixen Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 I am not sure I do mate. I might have. Ill have a look. Cheers mate I have that in PDF form if you get stuck for a copy!
robvulcan Posted March 11, 2015 Author Posted March 11, 2015 I have that in PDF form if you get stuck for a copy! Well that would be handy to have a copy of. If possible save me looking through the stuff I have too
robvulcan Posted March 11, 2015 Author Posted March 11, 2015 Well its time to let the Milliput dry then I can start to feather and shape these and the Boudary intake fences which will be thinned a little at the back. I am getting pretty excited about this now Its really looking like a B1 now I love the look of the thing now. I decided to mess with the contrast and brightness to give a look of how they might look when all white. Reminds me of XA900 now in this tatty state. Cheers Rob 1
robvulcan Posted September 6, 2015 Author Posted September 6, 2015 Well I can't believe its been since March !!! wow. Time fly's by. I thought back then I would be cracking on and finishing this for the shows I missed this is all due to me Joining my new band, Leaving my old job and having a massive sort out of real life. But back to modelling life now I am actually glad of the break from this as I have just had some great ideas for this project in the early hours of this morning and I cant wait ! The FROG V bombers are works of art IMO they just look right but also have that almost comic book appeal to them and they are just the right size. But there are a few minor things to improve like the intakes but aside from that not much really unless you where to be very picky. The one thing however I do think needs sorting is the tail spine and fin cap, The fin cap is a bit blunt so I have begun to reprofile it and also the tail spine I had extended to where it should be with plasticard this will then be built up with Milliput and filed to shape with some Mr Surfacer 500. It adds the nice straight line the top of the Fuselage should have and emphasized the sleekness but what is given looks like something is a miss. The intakes are starting to be blended in now. I finally added the exhausts its amazing how much these do to improve the appearance overall. I also drilled them out a bit to add some depth. Just marking this off and then will run some super glue along to stiffen it up and file it down. Then I think its time for the next Coffee 5
robvulcan Posted September 6, 2015 Author Posted September 6, 2015 Right then I got the milliput on and shaped it and I think it looks much better for the spine being added. Even more happy now. Its finally getting there. Just need to sort the windows scribe a few lines, Little filler and remove the engraved roundels etc and then some primer (oh and sort the intakes out a bit more.) Cheers Rob 2
general melchett Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Great job Rob, funnily enough I was airbrushing the intakes on mine yesterday, (as well as finally painting the insides of the intakes on the 1/72nd Victor B.1 !) Also working on the splitter plates, problem being that Frog moulded the intakes too far away from the fuselage so you're left with these over thick stubs but Milliput and card are coming to the rescue.The plates were very thin on the real deal. Good call on the spine too, that'll be next. So far the list of improvements reads, New windshield, (kits one was ruined with glue from original builder) Cut the nose wheel strut length 2mm Fuselage mounted Turbo generator fairing under port intake Rescribed the nose black radome area reshaped fin cap Modified nose gear struts Drilled out pilots and nav/plotters circular windows Added wingtip pitots Drilled out bomb aimers window and glaze. Still need to sand whole model down to reduce the cartoon panel lines..... All good fun, basically a great model especially for its time, 1958 when the real thing was still new.... keep going mate, Melchie... 1
robvulcan Posted September 7, 2015 Author Posted September 7, 2015 Great job Rob, funnily enough I was airbrushing the intakes on mine yesterday, (as well as finally painting the insides of the intakes on the 1/72nd Victor B.1 !) All good fun, basically a great model especially for its time, 1958 when the real thing was still new.... keep going mate, Melchie... That's the same list of mods I have with exception to the nose wheel leg I don't want mine to look too heavily laden and I love the nose up stance looks just right. Depends what photos you look at too. I need to sort the windows out I want to add frames to mine with slightly recessed windows not sure how to go about it yet but I might disguard or mods the front portion. To suit and file in the front angles and laminate with plasticard perhaps. Another problem with the intakes is the nose / forward fuselage being a little squashed at the sides though oddly it looks great and im happy with that as it seems to trick the eye into making it look bigger and photos very well I think looks like them Classic promo shots. Yes the splitter plates are massive and I'll be reducing them as much as possible now ive built up the frog ones to the intakes. Are you going to open up the Bay on yours and scratch the inside with. A violet club in there ? Love to see some more pics of how yours is going on and hope the intakes are ok I need to cast some more soon. Cheers Rob 1
general melchett Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 I looked at many photos of the stance of the B.1 and as you say they vary from heavily laden in service to museum lightly loaded, empty of fuel...I went for medium grade, just think as is it looks a bit too high to my eye.I won't be opening up the bomb bay on this one if you recall it's a pre-built kit and would involve a lot of mucking about besides I want to keep the option to have it on its original Frog swivelling stand ...I'm very tempted though to trail the main gears as in flight, maybe hinged, (like my big TSR-2) so it'll sit flat on the ground.. I was also thinking about doing the windshield in the way you mention by building the screen up using 1mm card bent to angle, spray white then adding 0.5mm clear acetate behind. not sure yet. I'll get some pics done soon... You'll have to get yourself back up here with it so we can compare notes...(amongst many other things .). Cheers 1
robvulcan Posted September 7, 2015 Author Posted September 7, 2015 I looked at many photos of the stance of the B.1 and as you say they vary from heavily laden in service to museum lightly loaded, empty of fuel...I went for medium grade, just think as is it looks a bit too high to my eye.I won't be opening up the bomb bay on this one if you recall it's a pre-built kit and would involve a lot of mucking about besides I want to keep the option to have it on its original Frog swivelling stand ...I'm very tempted though to trail the main gears as in flight, maybe hinged, (like my big TSR-2) so it'll sit flat on the ground.. I was also thinking about doing the windshield in the way you mention by building the screen up using 1mm card bent to angle, spray white then adding 0.5mm clear acetate behind. not sure yet. I'll get some pics done soon... You'll have to get yourself back up here with it so we can compare notes...(amongst many other things .). Cheers I also don't want to deviate too much from the original frog design. Last I saw your Vulcan what you had done looked amazing I can't wait to see the rest of it and soon it would be great to pop up and put them side by side and get a glimpse of the the future for the table. Yes I am also tempted by the idea of fully articulated wheels that roll and droop I may mold up some, positionable nose wheel would be a nice touch too perhaps. I have not considered modding the gear struts what's up with them, ive not looked that closely yet. Or are you just strengthening them with steel replacements (good idea If so) I have never seen photos of such but I imagine there must have been some sort of vehicle to move and load up the Nukes it would be great to model that to have sat next to the B1. I know they where very secretive about showing the weapons back then and the B1 is deceptively clean looking that you forget there's a massive bomb inside them
general melchett Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Sorry, I was referring to the nose gear, hollowed out and wired, steering servo, etc. The main gears are OK to be fair so wouldn't bother fettling them too much. As for loaders there were a few, take yer pick.... Yellow Sun loader with a Victor B.1 http://www.awe.co.uk/app/themes/awe/assets/img/timeline_pictures/Yellow%20Sun%20Mk2%20Item%2011.jpg And Vulcan B.1 http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/890_ys.jpg Standard carrier http://sonicbomb.com/albums/nw_uk/Ysunmk2.jpg Blue Danube carrier https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Red_Beard_Bomb_On_Trolley.jpg Red Beard, http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/vulcan_rb.jpg WE-177 http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Uk/We177b.jpg 1
robvulcan Posted September 7, 2015 Author Posted September 7, 2015 Sorry, I was referring to the nose gear, hollowed out and wired, steering servo, etc. The main gears are OK to be fair so wouldn't bother fettling them too much. As for loaders there were a few, take yer pick.... Yellow Sun loader with a Victor B.1 http://www.awe.co.uk/app/themes/awe/assets/img/timeline_pictures/Yellow%20Sun%20Mk2%20Item%2011.jpg And Vulcan B.1 http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/890_ys.jpg Standard carrier http://sonicbomb.com/albums/nw_uk/Ysunmk2.jpg Blue Danube carrier https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Red_Beard_Bomb_On_Trolley.jpg Red Beard, http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/nukes/vulcan_rb.jpg WE-177 http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Uk/We177b.jpg Thanks Andy some great shots there. Looks like the WE177 is the easiest to do. Something for the future. Ah yes the front leg needs drilling out alright Tedious but very worthwhile job. Cheers Rob
robvulcan Posted September 9, 2015 Author Posted September 9, 2015 Not really an update as such just a visualisation of how she will look with the gear doors on. I think it makes a massive difference to the overall look and heft of the think also adds to the stance. Seen here in the GFs Kitchen Cheers Rob hope to have a proper update soon 1
robvulcan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 I have reduced further the spliter plates but really they need doing more so but this is as far as I can do so that the frog moldings allow. So I may carve them back flush to the wing and replace with thinner more subtle ones in reality they are not that prominent. If anything what I have done has made it easier. With way I like the look so far but needs thinning Ive also started work on eliminating certain panel lines that need correcting or deleting And my Cat Guinness as ever shows his enthusiasm Cheers Rob 4
heloman1 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Looking good Rob, I see you wore Guinness out with al that filling of the idiot marks. Colin 1
robvulcan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 Looking good Rob, I see you wore Guinness out with al that filling of the idiot marks. Colin Hes getting very old now bless him. Spends most his days asleep. The filing on this is a little tiring. But well worth it I hope
robvulcan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 Keep at it Rob, she's looking gorgeous Cheers Ced mate, Yep Frog sure made some gorgeous kits particularly the 1/96 range it's such a nice scale I think. Can't wait to get these two frogs and the Lancaster restored and sat next to each other on the bomber command table. Hopefuly with the Generals Frog vulcan and Victor plus the Lindy Victor he made. Be great to get a 1/96 VC-10 at somepoint 1
robvulcan Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Well it was a fab day a Sutton show yesterday with the usual gang, Andy, Paul, Dean, Rich, Raders, Bill, Mish, and many others. Nowt like a good model show to fuel the inspiration. I picked up some goodies not no kits. I decided I need to build a few first and finish a few off. Much as I wand a Heyford, Whitley, Stirling, Gnat F1.... So much good stuff out there at the mo it really is like a kid in a Sweet distribution centre ! Andy put me onto these Mr Hobby paints and I have to agree they are absolutely 1st class I love they even label up the paints with nationality and use even down to pre and post war Raf greens greys etc. Now I have that I can crack on with the Vulcan canopy and sort the frames out. I am trying to flat out the front panes to give them the flat angle look the real Vulcan's have and then I will frame them with the plastic strip and fill and blend them in. Also filing the front piece down will help reduce the thickness at the front compared to the rear portion. I am hoping however it might give a hint of separation i.e. panel line. I am not sure weather to double up the small stuff for going around the individual panes or to keep it simple with the larger which looks bang on scale for 96th. after a 15 hour night shift I am ready for this Edited September 14, 2015 by robvulcan 4
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