Vanja #66 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 It could easily be, Nigel... Too bad there ain't no Milliput in my local shop right now... After filling and sanding around the joint of nacelle and wing, I had to do a bit more filling so this is where we are at the moment. I'm going out in a bit, so it should have plenty of time to dry nicely before I see more about it tonight. Sorry for a couple of bright photos, I've actually reduced brightness while taking 'em, but it doesn't seem to be enough... Fuselage required just a tiny amount of corrections. I've discovered again these drawings I have have errors and I've shown them here. So we are ready to proceed to cockpit... Marked the tub border inside of fuselage halves first, so I know where I shouldn't put any details. Here's the OOB tub. I only have one question - does gunner operate the guns telepathically? Some close-ups... IP even has those instruments correctly placed. Gunner's radio? It's a disgrace, to be honest... It's such a shame I haven't scratched that same thing for my Bf-110, having PE parts for them and saved Eduard's detailed radio. Ah, if I only knew... Side instruments are so-so, most of it can be used, we'll see something about the rest of it. What I'm going for here can be found here and here... On this picture as well... How to achieve it? Bf-110's IP decals... "How's that gonna help?" - I hear you ask... Easy - cut out individual instruments and place them where you need them. I think I've already located around 60-70% of instruments needed... That's all for now, thanks for watching. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwoolven76 Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 I believe the 210 kit has a set of periscopic sights that mount on the back shelf of the cockpit. I forgot to fit it to mine but there is a part for it, even if it's very basic. No idea how he reached it from his seat though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 You are, of course, right... Didn't see it, it's shown in the last step of instructions and I didn't think they'd put it that late in the build... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwoolven76 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You are, of course, right... Didn't see it, it's shown in the last step of instructions and I didn't think they'd put it that late in the build... Which is presumably why I completely missed it off mine... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 I probably would have made the same mistake... As far as I'm concerned, I ain't touching the wing assembly for at least a week now. I applaud its fighter attitude, fighting back all the time (along with Humbrol Filler, its new best friend it would seem), but I got it to lower limit of "acceptable" and I'm not sure if trying to squeeze a bit more out it won't bite back once more at the moment. So, before I get to the point of joining it with the fuselage, I'll recheck everything and add a few things that are missing right now. Also, that's when the riveting affair is expected to begin... A few things are bothering me, though. First, there is this peculiar bulge on the LHS of the nacelle, right under auxiliary intake (in front of lower intake on this picture)... Yet here... bulge-be-gone. Same aircraft, different engine. If anyone could give me an explanation on this affair, I'd be very thankful (I suspect cross-breeding in Luftwaffe). On all of the other pictures I've seen, bulges are there on both engines, on all of drawing there's an outline of it so it looks like they were present. And even though I have no Idea how to reproduce it, I'd love to do it if it should be done... Sorry for the off, back to my Baby, here's how it's nacelle looks in the end. To be honest, I've lost count of layers of filler, it should be 5-8 in total, but at least it looks decent on pictures (not that great when I look at it and look for imperfections, but again - it's acceptable). Wires were added to simulate those hinges (top pictures taken prior to that). They're probably at least twice the size, but I hope they'll look nice once painted and weathered... Jumped to the pit after that... First, it required a bit of chopping... A lot of the front end in the pit is gone now, pilot's seat is separated in armor plate and the seat itself. I think I'll go and make a completely new backrest, as this one doesn't really have any potential (Nigel, what have you done to me? ), and I expect something similar will be needed for gunners seat as well. Here's how a modified cockpit front looks now... Looking at it now, I see I forgot to add a couple of wires in front of pedal bases, but it's a small job. Still thinking what to do with side panels and instruments... Extensions I've made seem to be just a bit short of the windshield. Little bit of work on the back for now, looks messy because of CA fumes, but it will be cleaned further anyway... Thanks for watching... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Nigel, what have you done to me? What, I never touched him officer! Lovely work Vanja, keep it up. Shame you can't get any Milliput at the moment but definitely get some as soon as you can. I really liked how you did those piano hinges. Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Just one more picture to finish another day, I've completed detailing gunners office. Everything I could see on Aires 1/48th resin part I've put in there, using what I have... Bottom pictures taken a few minutes after obligatory test-paint to see what needs a few adjustments... Thanks for watching... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Excellent, just excellent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Thanks Nigel, really means a lot... A bit of MotoGP, a bit of sidewall detailing. I can honestly say I feel very sorry not to have started scratching details and bits a lot earlier than 8-9 months ago... Not only it adds a lot, it's also a lot of fun, very relaxing and very rewarding (avoiding to say fast) on 1/72nd models I usually do. Oh well, it's never too late obviously. First a bit of structure on gunners side... ... followed by some details. Dry fit show many advantages of knowing (marking) thy limits. Pilots side shortly after, a lot less here of course... Here's how it all looks right now... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Some really amazing detail you're adding to it Vanja. I actually managed to get some lightened RLM76 on the bottom of my 410 today but it is all orange pealed due to the number of coats it is now wearing:(. Duncan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Bad luck Duncan. sorry to hear about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 12, 2014 Author Share Posted July 12, 2014 Very sorry to hear that, Duncan... Can you do something about it or is it of to SOD? Continuing where I've left off, up next was little IP between pilots feet... It was an interesting thing to build, as I've tried to make all eight instrument backs visible (4x2 is how they're aligned). Something cylindrical was need, and of specific diameter (0.8mm), so that's where left-over Bf-110 nose guns come into play, their bases where of that diameter. 8 pieces approx. 1mm long where lined up, then given a protective cover. You can also see how it looks mounted. In the end, I decided not to keep pilots side instrument details, they were nearly there but it felt wrong knowingly leaving it incorrect. Various bits and things were used to simulate everything I could put in there, but scribing most of all... After that gunners footrest was made, but I forgot to take picture prior to painting. Rudder pedals also, but I didn't take pictures as they turned out quite ordinary. Couldn't do much even after 3 attempts, so just the basic shape was made and foot straps are there as well. Pilot's leaver was nice to begin with, here's where we are after a few more things were added... I was very happy to realise some proper paint could now be applied. For RLM66 I've used Humbrol 125 as it's very close and I doubt it won't look real enough after weathering. Don't know about you guys, but that tub looks very much like a space ship to me, must be that pointy front end... Can't wait to see how it'll look after detail painting tomorrow... Thanks for watching... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 The work you have done on that "pilots lever", (or my I call it a joy stick?) is incredible. Great skill is on display there. I like that you are building a space ship as well as a Me 410. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeusa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I really can't believe the detail you are putting in, given it is 1/72 scale. My eyes and fat fingers require larger scales. ( although more and more, the parts for my preferred scales, 1/48 and 1/32 seem to be getting smaller and smaller.). One of the reasons I have always liked the 410 is because it just looks other worldly. Keep up the good work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 The work you have done on that "pilots lever", (or my I call it a joy stick?) is incredible. Great skill is on display there. I like that you are building a space ship as well as a Me 410. Joystick, that's the word (worst thing is that we also use that word here very often)... 18 hours up time sure can toy with you grey cells... In my defense, it was pretty much a lever to begin with, but looks a lot more like a joystick now. I really can't believe the detail you are putting in, given it is 1/72 scale. My eyes and fat fingers require larger scales. ( although more and more, the parts for my preferred scales, 1/48 and 1/32 seem to be getting smaller and smaller.). One of the reasons I have always liked the 410 is because it just looks other worldly. Keep up the good work. Actually, I don't think I've used my fingers for placing parts smaller than 1cm for a while now. Tweezers are the way to go. Agreed on the looks, first time I saw it I thought - this thing looks 30 years younger than it is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 First thing after looking for imperfections on painted stuff I thought about sanding down the radio on its bulkhead, but it dawned on me - just use the other side... Not at first, but lets not break the concept afterwards - some paint in tail wheel section... Here's the detail work after a bit of acrylic varnish. Somehow, even though these are enamel paints, there was orange peal in there, but with weathering coming up I wasn't concerned... Weathering consisted of a dirt wash (a mix of brown and black) and dry brushing with two different shades - slightly lighter grey than base colour and a mix of light blue and green to try to raise the detail a bit... Sadly, I forgot to take some pictures once dry fitted and I've got to go out in a bit, so I'll get those tonight... Thanks for watching... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Vanja have you found some photos of the gunners controls? If not I can E mail you some from some of my books. If there are any other details you need just let me know as I have a couple of books on the 210/410 now. I decided to just carry on with the 410 as it has taken too long already, got some RLM74 on and will get the RLM 75 on this afternoon. That was a weird start to the MotoGP race wasn't it? Marques is unstoppable though. DB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Bad luck with the wrinkling, it still looks good though and as you say once weathered and closed up will not be noticeable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yippee, I've got the 410 top colours and mottling completed (its a little rough in places but at this stage I just don't care) Duncan B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Vanja have you found some photos of the gunners controls? If not I can E mail you some from some of my books. If there are any other details you need just let me know as I have a couple of books on the 210/410 now. I decided to just carry on with the 410 as it has taken too long already, got some RLM74 on and will get the RLM 75 on this afternoon. That was a weird start to the MotoGP race wasn't it? Marques is unstoppable though. DB Thanks Duncan, but there is no need. I have a few books on the subject scanned (pdf) on my computer and I have studied them a bit even before I started this build. What I've seen is that Chuck did an unbelievable job keeping it true to original, I've given myself a bit of artistic freedom in terms of painting some wires and smaller details, but other than that I'm trying to be as close as I can... There are even some drawings of engines in both 210 and 410 - yes please, I'll take that... Ah, Marquez the Magnificent as Keith (Huewen) called him today. I've watched that kid (yes, I'm a full older than him and I can call him a kid ) since 2008, local commentator here said that we should pay attention, that he seems capable of great things and so I did. Being a huge Rossi fan, I can't say I'm enjoying races Marc wins, but at least it doesn't bother me (as it would if Dani or Jorge won). And even though Dani is a few points ahead for a moment, I have a strong feeling Rossi can finish second this season. Hey, give us a few pictures of your 410 if you didn't start a WIP thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Hey, give us a few pictures of your 410 if you didn't start a WIP thread. Yes come on Duncan, let us all see it. I was privileged to see it for real a while ago but would like to see its current condition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanja #66 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Share Posted July 13, 2014 Here are the promised shots... See you tomorrow, Thanks for watching... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heath Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 It looks excellent Vanja, there is some lovely detailing in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wm Blecky Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I just came across this build while looking for some other information on the Forum. I see it has ended without a conclusion.  I may have missed this over the course of the past 5 pages, but am wondering if you could tell me why you choose to hack up the Me.210 kit instead of just running with the Italeri 410? Also, weren't the Aires wheel wells 1/48 scale? I have never seen them in 1/72. They did look awfully large for 1/72. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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