beefy66 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Well got the glazing done which on these things I normally make a right pigs ear of I think looks ok construction is nearly all done only the wheel house and mast to secure in place and then I can add rigging and weathering starting to get some were nearly done with this project now Beefy 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Well got the glazing done which on these things I normally make a right pigs ear of I think looks ok construction is nearly all done only the wheel house and mast to secure in place and then I can add rigging and weathering starting to get some were nearly done with this project now Beefy Looking really excellent Keith, Might have me buying one yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Coming together very nicely now Keith The camo job catches my eye every time I come on your post, looks excellent Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Coming together very nicely now Keith The camo job catches my eye every time I come on your post, looks excellent Kev I couldn't help noticing you used the Akan paint set for this build. How are Akan paints to use? Looks as if they snuggle down very smoothly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jockster Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 What they said, but defo with Kev about the figures, they have great postures and will look brilliant on a lovely build like this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Gent,s thanks for your kind words of encouragement again with this build I couldn't help noticing you used the Akan paint set for this build. How are Akan paints to use? Looks as if they snuggle down very smoothly. Julian the Akan paints are very good only problem I had was with the white spitting a bit at first but just added a little bit more thinners in the form of Halfords neat screen wash and just went for a couple of thin coats and it worked out well as it happens I was going to ask all of you some advise what would you recommend for the weathering on this boat I was going to just go for a thin dark oil wash all over and pick out some of the deck details or do you think this should be a just out of the yard look Beefy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Gent,s thanks for your kind words of encouragement again with this build Julian the Akan paints are very good only problem I had was with the white spitting a bit at first but just added a little bit more thinners in the form of Halfords neat screen wash and just went for a couple of thin coats and it worked out well as it happens I was going to ask all of you some advise what would you recommend for the weathering on this boat I was going to just go for a thin dark oil wash all over and pick out some of the deck details or do you think this should be a just out of the yard look Beefy Thanks Keith, I'll try and get hold of some Akan. Was the paint job applied especially for the St. Nazaire raid? If so I would only do a couple of brownish oil washes and maybe a little light chipping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 As far as I can get reference for this was a one off boat converted half way through basic construction just for operation Chariot still have the frame work to add to the fore deck to go between the torpedo launchers that is shown on plans but have no photo evidence for this I would only do a couple of brownish oil washes and maybe a little light chipping. That was my plan just to show some light wear because of crew training and sea trials before the raid. keith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I with you, light wear and grime. Topped off with a salt stain wash over, pulled down with a fan brush, you can get some lovely effects Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I don't think it was around long enough to weather at all, really. I've seen a few pics of her and I think best keep it very light. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 OK small update sorry about the photo being dark not much daylight up here in the North East these days and as the weather man says Winter is coming I have built up the Frame work to sit on the fore deck and put in place not glued yet as still unsure weather or not to use this what do you all think Beefy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 OK small update sorry about the photo being dark not much daylight up here in the North East these days and as the weather man says Winter is coming I have built up the Frame work to sit on the fore deck and put in place not glued yet as still unsure weather or not to use this what do you all think Beefy Have you got some reference photos of the real sized framework? Looks a bit heavy to me but I don't know what the original frame looked like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Julian only very limited info on this particular boat All reference photos shown her without the frame but there are plenty of plan Drawings in various books that show the frame work inplace Still think I should leave it off as in some previous photos Beefy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I reckon its going to look better without buddy Kev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-FAAWAFU Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Me too. No frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve27752 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I reckon its going to look better without buddy Kev I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Hang on, hang on 'ere ! The question is not if it looks better without if I remember correctly, but is it an accurate representation of the real deal. Nothing is going to look sleek and deadly with such a huge protuberance stuck on its bow is it? I can't imagine Italeri adding these pieces to a kit that portrays a very special version of a Vosper adapted for a very special role in a very special operation if they had not been of great signficance to the Vosper version as sold. They may be too thick, they may look wrong and they may look just plain ugly, but if you are building the St. Nazaire Vosper and it had this frame stuck on it's nose don't get wobbly kneed and leave it off because it looks yukky. Wow! multiple sentences Your build Keith, do what you think is right Edited December 3, 2015 by Gremlin56 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul178 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 #138 that picture shows it without so that is the way I would go. Just to add I have not commented on your build before but I have enjoyed every bit of it. Excellent work mate! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshanks Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Quite right Julian, got a bit carried away........ Back to facts The only place the frame appears is on Vosper's ' as fitted ' Drawing 9886. This is for the modifications reqd to enable the MTB to fire her torpedoes over a net defence system. The plan was set up for an attack on the Scharnhorst at Brest. After the Channel Dash they were unemployed!! On the St Nazaire raid she fired her delayed action torpedoes at the old lock gates. The only pics I can find show her without the cradle, two of which show MTB74 alongside ergo No Frame Which I'm sure I meant to say in post 139 Kev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gremlin56 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 To parafrase Clint Eastwood's "Trash the Caddy Clyde" in "Any which way but loose" : Trash the frame Keith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAYELL Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 This is starting to come together very nicely. Paintwork on the boat looks spot on. Its nice to see that the crewmen are actually in poses they were designed for ..not doing the hokey cokey ...but stroking a torpedo lol Good job Cheers K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 Well gentlemen thank you for your views during this debate and the continued support on this project after having a good think and re-goggling any info I could I have decided to go with the majority vote on this To parafrase Clint Eastwood's "Trash the Caddy Clyde" in "Any which way but loose" : Trash the frame Keith The frame has been duly trashed and this build will try and represent this photo of MTB 74 at the dockside being readied for operation Chariot Beefy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefy66 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Well holiday season and getting some good time at the workbench when not getting dragged around the shops Starting to get the rigging done now and added some washes to the deck very thin dark brown just to highlight some of the details. Beefy 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 She's looking superb. You've done a great job on the paintwork. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelter Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 cor blimey Beefy - this has come on a real treat since I last checked in on her - this is really looking fantastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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