Selwyn Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Doing a bit of research for a future project. Has anybody got any pictures, or can point me in the direction of pictures of Royal Navy operated Havards (Havard III?) Can't find anything on the net, I may not be looking in quite the right places? Selwyn Edited March 25, 2014 by Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1980 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Found these; http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1325538/ http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/harvard.htm http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1053118/ http://www.fleetairarm.com/exhibit/north-american-harvard-iii-ex976/2-4-12.aspx http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyvertosset/8458063736/ http://www.t6harvard.com/t6harvardpaintcolours.html Try those, your best bet is the last two I think. Hope it helps, Regards Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Found these; http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1325538/ http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/harvard.htm http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1053118/ http://www.fleetairarm.com/exhibit/north-american-harvard-iii-ex976/2-4-12.aspx http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyvertosset/8458063736/ http://www.t6harvard.com/t6harvardpaintcolours.html Try those, your best bet is the last two I think. Hope it helps, Regards Justin Thanks for the help but I have most of these already. They mainly show restored examples, or dubious profiles. I am looking specifically for In service images. The Havard was used by over 10 NAS in its naval service life but there does not seem to be any images available of them actually in service in wartime or poswar for that matter. I will have to keep looking. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1980 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sorry, was early in the morning when I read your post and replied! I will do some more research and see what I can come up with too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1980 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 The only ones I can find are black and white, there is a severe lack of pictures! http://www.aviationphotocompany.com/p390954246 You probably have found these too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Have a look at EZ316/203 "Hatters Castle" with 1832 at Stretton circa 1958 http://www.t6harvard.com/t6harvardpaintcolours.html Bollides,I see you've already been linked. As seen also above in Justin's link,here she is again but in different togs at Gosport: http://www.aviationphotocompany.com/p390954246/h5ca0364e#h5ca0364e Edited March 26, 2014 by Miggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 26, 2014 Author Share Posted March 26, 2014 Have a look at EZ316/203 "Hatters Castle" with 1832 at Stretton circa 1958 http://www.t6harvard.com/t6harvardpaintcolours.html Bollides,I see you've already been linked. As seen also above in Justin's link,here she is again but in different togs at Gosport: http://www.aviationphotocompany.com/p390954246/h5ca0364e#h5ca0364e Justin, Miggers, Many thanks for these, I didn't find the aircraft in your links, I was getting worried wondering if anyone in the RN didn't have cameras in the 40's and 50's! Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 For 1958 read 1948. She was s.o.c in 1955. However, KF549/BR was still in wartime colours in 1952 as 253/BR, although her two sisters KF520 251/BR and KF537 252/BR were in Aluminium with trainer bands - though the latter are difficult to make out in the photo (Sturtivant/Burton/Howard FAA Fixed-Wing Aircraft snce 1946. These are actually Mk.IIIBs, and there are other photos of Mk.IIIBs KF500 203/ST and KF516 211/AC in the later scheme. If you really want a Mk.III, there's EZ354 911/HF carrying a slightly earlier style of marking with the large number ahead of a wartime roundel and fin flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Just looked in the Ray Sturtivant book. There is a Mike Keep drawing of an 1833 Squadron machine based at Bramcote and a photo in the squadron profile. Both are painted silver, have yellow training bands and a BR tail code. 'Royal Navy' is marked in the usual fashion by the serial. From a modelling perspective it has the moveable rear part to the cockpit glazing for a gunner, so no surgery would be needed for any kit you use. HTH Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Of the postwar aircraft, only the KF serials were Canadian built Mk.IIB with the original long fixed canopies. Original post corrected. I would check all drawings or warbird representations as not every artist or owner appreciates this difference (or cares about it). No 1/72 kit comes like this, but at least one 1/48 does. The Monogram one is a Texan, but the Occidental kit came in two different boxings, one of which was Canadian. I've also checked the wartime book, but the only photo there is a SEAC example in overall yellow, and a Mk.IIB KF494 K7Y. Then the FAA had examples from two other batches of Mk.IIBs, eleven FE/FH and three FS/FT, all in SEAC bar one which went to Norway as M-MB. More examples of photographs will be found in Air Britain's The Harvard File. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Just checked the Ray Sturtivant book. The picture is of T.3 FT965 252/Ft at Bramcote 1949. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 By the Ray Sturtivant book I presume you mean FAA squadrons? His work on postwar aircraft confirms the identity in 1949, but has a 1952 photo of KF537 as 252/BR, and this is a Mk.IIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Graham, you are correct. Incidentally, visually what is the difference between a IIA and a III? Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 There's really no visual difference. The Mk.IIA is an AT-6C, the Mk.III an AT-6D. The key difference is that the C had a 12v electrical system and the D a 24 volt. There were a few variants within the C, some late examples having wooden rear fuselage coverings and tailplanes, but I haven't heard of any of these coming to the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Thanks to everyone for the pictures and help! Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 If you want yourself or anyone else to be able to find this thread in a year ot two you might consider using the Edit function to change 'Havard' to Harvard in the places you mention it, notably the thread title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 By the Ray Sturtivant book I presume you mean FAA squadrons? His work on postwar aircraft confirms the identity in 1949, but has a 1952 photo of KF537 as 252/BR, and this is a Mk.IIB. I am looking to build a Mk III FT965 also coded 252/BR 1833sqn and illustrated in sturtivants book, the image is dated as taken on bramcotes open day in 1949. I notice it has a wide Trainer yellow band on the fuselage, but does not appear to have the Trainer yellow bands on the wings. Is this correct for 1949 time period? Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I am looking to build a Mk III FT965 also coded 252/BR 1833sqn and illustrated in sturtivants book, the image is dated as taken on bramcotes open day in 1949. I notice it has a wide Trainer yellow band on the fuselage, but does not appear to have the Trainer yellow bands on the wings. Is this correct for 1949 time period? Selwyn I'd say so Selwyn. Tamiya have an option in their 1/32 Spit 16 as TE203/FD*AA,No.1(Pilot's)Refresher Flying Unit, Finningley in 1949 with a similar scheme. All over silver with a yellow fuselage band,a black nose anti-dazzle and spinner with "D" type post war roundels. I d/l'ed the instructions to it to check(I have a 90% finished ICM 1/48 XVI in this scheme). Scroll to the bottom of the page: http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/60321spitfire_mkxvle/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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