A319 ideas

[feoffee2]

Got an a319 off a mate today but already got 2 so fancy a conversion

Any ideas

Edited March 7, 2014 by feoffee2

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Some here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942125-thinking-about-jumping-on-the-a318-bandwagon-such-as-it-is/

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234954179-a318-baby-airbus-conversion-frontier-airlines/

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234952320-airbus-a318-conversion-from-a319-finished/

etc

Of the few operators that have had A318s, some have used PW6000(?) engines which are not available 'off the shelf' in scale form. The only other engine option is the CFM56 as used by BA and others. This link will tell you who has what:

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A318/index.php?sort=airline

Hope that helps.

Andrew

Edited March 6, 2014 by Caution Wake Turbulence

[feoffee2]

Some here:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234942125-thinking-about-jumping-on-the-a318-bandwagon-such-as-it-is/

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234954179-a318-baby-airbus-conversion-frontier-airlines/

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234952320-airbus-a318-conversion-from-a319-finished/

Thanks I fancy an a320 or a321

etc

Of the few operators that have had A318s, some have used PW6000(?) engines which are not available 'off the shelf' in scale form. The only other engine option is the CFM56 as used by BA and others. This link will tell you who has what:

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A318/index.php?sort=airline

Hope that helps.

Andrew

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[feoffee2]

As a conversion

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Sorry, your thread title made me think you were interested in an A318 conversion...

[feoffee2]

Sorry, your thread title made me think you were interested in an A318 conversion...

Sorry meant to say a319 ideas

[buzz]

Got an a319 off a mate today but already got 2 so fancy a conversion

Any ideas

I'm a bit confused.. You first mention a conversion (because you already have two A319s) but later on change it to say you're looking for A319 ideas.

What is it that you want suggestions on?

[BA777]

What about doing it as a business jet livery - that'll be different

[Whisperjet]

A318 is the only conversion that makes sense if you have the A319 kit as Revell offers both, the A320 and the A321 (the latter is not available right now but will definitely reissued at some point in the future).

There is no point in using two A319 kits to kit bash an A321...

Stefan

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So, is this different to your previous thread asking about A319 to A320/21 conversions?

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234956371-a319-to-a320-or-a321/

I think there are plenty of people here willing to help, but you'll need to be a little more specific about what sort of ideas you're after. Do you want suggestions for a livery, or more specific advice about how to undertake the conversion (whichever one you choose).

Andrew

[buzz]

For a "different" A319, how about an American one with sharklets?

[feoffee2]

I'm a bit confused.. You first mention a conversion (because you already have two A319s) but later on change it to say you're looking for A319 ideas.

What is it that you want suggestions on?

What to do with it without making another a319 thanks

What about doing it as a business jet livery - that'll be different

Good idea that what about decals

So, is this different to your previous thread asking about A319 to A320/21 conversions?

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234956371-a319-to-a320-or-a321/

I think there are plenty of people here willing to help, but you'll need to be a little more specific about what sort of ideas you're after. Do you want suggestions for a livery, or more specific advice about how to undertake the conversion (whichever one you choose).

Andrew

The conversion really I will cross the decals when I come to it thanks

For a "different" A319, how about an American one with sharklets?

I love the new american livery so I might but any idea on decals

Thanks

[buzz]

For American, take a look at Nazca Decals.

[feoffee2]

Thanks

[feoffee2]

For American, take a look at Nazca Decals.

Thanks

Edited March 8, 2014 by feoffee2

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Ok, in terms of conversions, differences between the A319/320/321 are fairly minor - principally fuselage length, door/window configuration and flap configuration.

The first thing you need to decide is whether or not you're going to fill the windows (personally I wouldn't, but it's up to you). If you're going to keep the windows open and want to preserve as much surface detail as you can, then you'll need to choose your cuts carefully. If not, then the position of the cuts is less critical. The Airbus documents I linked to in your other thread will give the relevant dimensions of the various aircraft and also the position of the doors. Comparing these will allow you to calculate how much length you need to add to the fuselage both forward and aft of the wings and also where to cut. The amount to be added will usually correspond to a whole number of frames/window intervals (the A318 is an exception as it is 1.5 frames shorter than the A319 at the front).

The Revell A319 kit, from memory, comes with one overwing emergency exit (some higher density operators such as easyjet have two). The A320, I believe, has two overwing emergency exits as standard. The A321 has four doors on either side and no overwing exits. Note that these doors are different sizes, the smaller ones being emergency exits - check airliners.net or similar for pictures.

All of the Revell A320 series kits come with the A321 wing, which has double slotted flaps. The additional smaller flap hinge/track fairings and panel lines need to be removed/filled for the A320 and A319. You can see the double slotted flaps in the picture below:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Turkish-Airlines/Airbus-A321-231/2405069/L/&sid=54826fb3c954251611587efd1184676a

and the single slotted flaps on the A320/A319 here:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Almasria-Universal-Airlines/Airbus-A320-232/2405207/L/&sid=54826fb3c954251611587efd1184676a

If you're keeping the windows, you'll need to cut the fuselage between two windows - a razor saw is best. I would cut the fuselage halves separately. Make sure you mark the cut carefully so that it is at right angles, both horizontally and vertically. Some people recommend staggering the cuts left to right to make a stronger join. If you have a spare bit of fuselage, it's worth using it to strengthen the joints between fuselage sections.

If you want any help to calculate how much length to add and where, let me know.

Hope that's enough to get you going, others may have different approaches.

Andrew

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Ok, some numbers:

Based on a frame spacing of 53.3cm:

The A318 is 11.5 frames shorter than the A320 (4.5 fwd, 7 aft)

The A319 is 7 frames shorter than the A320 (3 fwd, 4 aft)

The A321 is 13 frames longer than the A320 (8 fwd, 5 aft)

So, to make an A320 from your A319, you need to add 25.9mm (11.0mm at the front and 14.9mm at the back),

and to make an A321 from your A319, you need to add 74.0mm (40.7mm at the front and 33.3mm at the back)

On the A319/320/321 the fwd cargo door is the same distance from the nose, so you need to add your fuselage plug between the cargo door and the wing fairing. Just looking at a photo shows that the cargo door virtually abuts the wing fairing:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Malta/Airbus-A319-111/2405148/L/&sid=38a6e88f51de1aa8b0fb39245e35a7be

At the back it's a little more complicated, the aft cargo door overlaps the wing fairing on both the A319 and the A320 (to varying degrees), so you'd probably need to re-scribe the door. I would suggest cutting as close to the fairing as you can - obviously you need to be fwd of the point where the fuselage starts to taper. As far as I can tell the rear fuselage plug overlaps with the cargo door, which is only 2.11m further from the nose on the A320 than the A319, compared to the overall difference in fuselage length of 3.73m. The additional fuselage plug for the A321 seems to be entirely forward of the cargo door.

Hope some of this makes sense and is of some use.

Andrew

Edited March 8, 2014 by Caution Wake Turbulence

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As far as the sharklets go, I believe they are available from Contrails (http://www.contrailsmodels.com/Wings___Winglets.html), and RichW on here makes them out of metal (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/57768-airbus-a320-family-sharklets/). Alternatively the Airbus docs do give some info on dimensions, so you may be able to make some from scratch.

Andrew

Edited March 8, 2014 by Caution Wake Turbulence

[feoffee2]

Ok, in terms of conversions, differences between the A319/320/321 are fairly minor - principally fuselage length, door/window configuration and flap configuration.

The first thing you need to decide is whether or not you're going to fill the windows (personally I wouldn't, but it's up to you). If you're going to keep the windows open and want to preserve as much surface detail as you can, then you'll need to choose your cuts carefully. If not, then the position of the cuts is less critical. The Airbus documents I linked to in your other thread will give the relevant dimensions of the various aircraft and also the position of the doors. Comparing these will allow you to calculate how much length you need to add to the fuselage both forward and aft of the wings and also where to cut. The amount to be added will usually correspond to a whole number of frames/window intervals (the A318 is an exception as it is 1.5 frames shorter than the A319 at the front).

The Revell A319 kit, from memory, comes with one overwing emergency exit (some higher density operators such as easyjet have two). The A320, I believe, has two overwing emergency exits as standard. The A321 has four doors on either side and no overwing exits. Note that these doors are different sizes, the smaller ones being emergency exits - check airliners.net or similar for pictures.

All of the Revell A320 series kits come with the A321 wing, which has double slotted flaps. The additional smaller flap hinge/track fairings and panel lines need to be removed/filled for the A320 and A319. You can see the double slotted flaps in the picture below:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Turkish-Airlines/Airbus-A321-231/2405069/L/&sid=54826fb3c954251611587efd1184676a

and the single slotted flaps on the A320/A319 here:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Almasria-Universal-Airlines/Airbus-A320-232/2405207/L/&sid=54826fb3c954251611587efd1184676a

If you're keeping the windows, you'll need to cut the fuselage between two windows - a razor saw is best. I would cut the fuselage halves separately. Make sure you mark the cut carefully so that it is at right angles, both horizontally and vertically. Some people recommend staggering the cuts left to right to make a stronger join. If you have a spare bit of fuselage, it's worth using it to strengthen the joints between fuselage sections.

If you want any help to calculate how much length to add and where, let me know.

Hope that's enough to get you going, others may have different approaches.

Andrew

As far as the sharklets go, I believe they are available from Contrails (http://www.contrailsmodels.com/Wings___Winglets.html), and RichW on here makes them out of metal (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/57768-airbus-a320-family-sharklets/). Alternatively the Airbus docs do give some info on dimensions, so you may be able to make some from scratch.

Andrew

Ok, some numbers:

Based on a frame spacing of 53.3cm:

The A318 is 11.5 frames shorter than the A320 (4.5 fwd, 7 aft)

The A319 is 7 frames shorter than the A320 (3 fwd, 4 aft)

The A321 is 13 frames longer than the A320 (8 fwd, 5 aft)

So, to make an A320 from your A319, you need to add 25.9mm (11.0mm at the front and 14.9mm at the back),

and to make an A321 from your A319, you need to add 74.0mm (40.7mm at the front and 33.3mm at the back)

On the A319/320/321 the fwd cargo door is the same distance from the nose, so you need to add your fuselage plug between the cargo door and the wing fairing. Just looking at a photo shows that the cargo door virtually abuts the wing fairing:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Malta/Airbus-A319-111/2405148/L/&sid=38a6e88f51de1aa8b0fb39245e35a7be

At the back it's a little more complicated, the aft cargo door overlaps the wing fairing on both the A319 and the A320 (to varying degrees), so you'd probably need to re-scribe the door. I would suggest cutting as close to the fairing as you can - obviously you need to be fwd of the point where the fuselage starts to taper. As far as I can tell the rear fuselage plug overlaps with the cargo door, which is only 2.11m further from the nose on the A320 than the A319, compared to the overall difference in fuselage length of 3.73m. The additional fuselage plug for the A321 seems to be entirely forward of the cargo door.

Hope some of this makes sense and is of some use.

Andrew

Carnt stress how helpful you are I couldn't work the numbers out my self didnt get the measurements but this is excellent and I will share my progress on here

Thanks

Edited March 8, 2014 by feoffee2

[Jessica]

You may wish to join the Airline Modelling Digest Yahoo group. There's a large section of conversion information in the group's archives.

[feoffee2]

You may wish to join the Airline Modelling Digest Yahoo group. There's a large section of conversion information in the group's archives.

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I might do thanks

[RocketSurgeon]

I couldn't work the numbers out my self didnt get the measurements but this is excellent

I was wondering about the difference between a series -100 and a -200 a321 and since I didn't want to start a new topic regarding my question I decided to find the answer myself. I googled 'a321' and in about ten seconds I found this. The interesting part:

Compared with the A320 the A321's major change is the stretched fuselage, with forward and rear fuselage plugs totalling 6.93m (22ft 9in) (front plug immediately forward of wing 4.27m/14ft, rear plug directly behind the wing 2.67m/8ft 9in)

This makes me wonder if we use the same internet...

[feoffee2]

I was wondering about the difference between a series -100 and a -200 a321 and since I didn't want to start a new topic regarding my question I decided to find the answer myself. I googled 'a321' and in about ten seconds I found this. The interesting part:

Compared with the A320 the A321's major change is the stretched fuselage, with forward and rear fuselage plugs totalling 6.93m (22ft 9in) (front plug immediately forward of wing 4.27m/14ft, rear plug directly behind the wing 2.67m/8ft 9in)[/size]

This makes me wonder if we use the same internet...

I am using a a319 though and I didn't then but I now know how to do the maths

But thanks

[lomasca]

Or have a go at the Winglets version with your own fantasy livery?