ICMF Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'm working on some CAD models of the Red Top and Firestreak missiles. I'm hitting the detail stages, but haven't had a ton of luck finding detailed reference photos and/or scale drawings. Do any Britmodellers have walkarounds of the missiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Hi If you can hang on until tomorrow evening, or if my IT skills permit, will link you to some photo's I'll take of the Firestreak, including internals, seeker head etc at our museum. Hugh the owner will be more than happy I am sure to oblige a fellow fan of anything Lightning related! Am sure there are some great reference pics on their way from other members in the meantime.... Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roys Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Few snaps of a sectioned Redtop taken at Aeroventure Museum Doncaster.http://s854.photobucket.com/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=42#/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=43&_suid=13934449079010646188708211453 Also Not quite sure what this one is ! Edited February 26, 2014 by roys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi Have just got back to this late.... Have taken several photo's today of Hugh Trevor's Firestreak in our collection, some of seeker head, training round, body in three sections, control fins, and some internal. Laid out metre rule next to these, and also measured each piece, length and width, cm and mm, so if I can figure out photo bucket will pop them all on tomorrow. Regards Rob P.S. Is that a Red Top with Firestreak fins in pic above?.......although rear fins far too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Badger Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Boscombe73 Any chance I could beg a set of those pics as well? (I can pm you my email address). Navy Bird on here is sending me a 1/72 firestreak from the trumpeter kit (as the Airfix ones are not very representative) and I am going to work on them to produce a cast resin versions (he's doing lots of Lightnings at the same time so lots of replicates needed) . I'm hoping to not just copy the Trumpeter ones but to improve on them, preferably with some home made PE fins etc. so any detailed info would be really helpful to getting them as close as possible in 1/72 I'm putting them on the airfix Lightning F2.A I've got started in the Work In Progress area (adapting the resin aires cockpit set from the trumpeter kit to the airfix) and will be happy to acknowledge you in the build thread etc. Many Thanks FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Taken at Cosford - Firestreak And Red Top; Hope these are of some use. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Righto folks, you'll have to bear with me as my IT skills are bordering on zero......Photobucket Firestreak pics inbound, but looks like it'll beone by one... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boscombe73 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Ok....hope the pics make sense, once I have had a chance to decipher my sketches and notes from earlier, will post up the dimensions. Eagle eyed viewers will spot the metre rule, and perhaps just about see the scale, cm's. From the top: Seeker head, and front section. Rear section, showing rear to top of pic, with close ups of main fin rear aerodynamic fairing (The missiles owner Hugh Trevor points out that rivets are not the 'standard' way of joining these sections together! Main static fins, and rear guidance fins. Hope you like them! Rob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share Posted February 27, 2014 Few snaps of a sectioned Redtop taken at Aeroventure Museum Doncaster.http://s854.photobucket.com/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=42#/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=43&_suid=13934449079010646188708211453 Not quite sure what this one is ! Thanks Roys. Those are a help. Oh, and the mystery missile is a Red Dean - designed for the ill-fated thin-wing Javelin. It does kind of look like a bodged "artists interpretation" of a generic missile though, doesn't it? Taken at Cosford - Firestreak And Red Top; Hope these are of some use. Steve Thanks Steve. Don't suppose you've got bigger versions of those, have you? Ok....hope the pics make sense, once I have had a chance to decipher my sketches and notes from earlier, will post up the dimensions. Eagle eyed viewers will spot the metre rule, and perhaps just about see the scale, cm's. From the top: Seeker head, and front section. Rear section, showing rear to top of pic, with close ups of main fin rear aerodynamic fairing (The missiles owner Hugh Trevor points out that rivets are not the 'standard' way of joining these sections together! Main static fins, and rear guidance fins. Hope you like them! Rob Rob, Those are great. Please tell me you have access to a Red Top, too! One additional request though: in most pics, the Firestreak has a long, rectangular "shape" on the conduits in front of the wings. You can see it in Steve's photo (the upper one looks green, the lower one is whitish). That bit is missing from the missile in your pics... any chance the relevant component is hiding somewhere in the museum? Also: is there any chance you could get some pics of the shackles/hangers/hook-ups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Hi Firstly, sorry no Red Top...... We do have a launch rail for such though. The fairings you speak of that are missing....I believe they are in that 'Help the Aged ' poly bag visible in the first shot...I vaguely remember being told that! Is it pics of the launch rail, and the actual pylon pick up you need as well? Glad you like them so far. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Few snaps of a sectioned Redtop taken at Aeroventure Museum Doncaster.http://s854.photobucket.com/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=42#/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=43&_suid=13934449079010646188708211453 Also Not quite sure what this one is ! That is, I believe a Red Dean radar homing missile. It was intended to have a nuclear warhead so is considerably larger than either a Firestreak or Red Top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Righto Dimensions for the Firestreak... Allied to the pics above: FRONT SECTION Front section from rear joint to seeker head tip : 132cm, Width at rear joint: 22cm Glass seeker head windows section length to join at metal tip: 265mm + 2cm of metal tip Width of seeker head at joint: 19cm Individual glass seeker head panels: Base width: 7cm, Length of both angled sides: 235mm, Width of 'squared off' point at metal tip joint: 8mm CENTRE SECTION Length: 189cm Width at both ends: 22cm REAR CONE Length: 335mm Width at joint: 22cm Inside width of nozzle: 157mm MAIN FIXED FIN Length at base: 687mm Height of fin: 25cm (267mm including base) Length of top of fin (rear to foward slope) 435mm Length of sloped forward area: 355mm REAR STEERING FIN Length of fin: 126mm Width of fin: 97mm Spigot Length: 6cm Hope this is of help, and makes sense..... Will have some more pics of pick up points from Saturday. Happy calculating! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritJet Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks Steve. Don't suppose you've got bigger versions of those, have you? PM me your email addy and I'll send you the original JPGs Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) The fairings you speak of that are missing....I believe they are in that 'Help the Aged ' poly bag visible in the first shot...I vaguely remember being told that! Is it pics of the launch rail, and the actual pylon pick up you need as well? Just the rail connectors on the missile. Thanks muchly. And if you can get shots of those fairings, that'd be awesome too. ----- Steve, PM inbound. ----- Everyone else: That just leaves me desperately in need of Red Top pics or drawings. Anyone out there care to help? See: http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234955728-why-no-love-for-new-172-airfix-bac-lightning/?p=1558303 Edited February 28, 2014 by ICMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Hi all Sorry for delay, just got back to museum today. Will up load pictures as soon as I get time. Have measured all parts requested (I Hope!) Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q558/RobHames/IMG_9347.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscombe73 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Sorry, not been on here for a while, just added quick reference link...will post more photo's and dimensions later. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boscombe73 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Ok chaps as promised (albeit a bit late) photo's of Firestreak electrical points, and the aerodynamic strakes that fit either end of fin base. From the photo's you will note metre rule in pic (sorry not too clear) but dimensions as follows: From the top: 1: Small three pointed 'ogee' shaped strake (green): Length through middle 'fork' 69mm " " outside 'fork' 66mm Width: 78mm Width between outside fork points : 70mm 2: Rectangular fitments (white): Width: 78mm Length: 57mm Side plates widths: 14mm 3: Large Green Strake: Length: 295mm Width: 78mm Rear screw holes: 10mm from rear/ 40mm between centre of holes Forward screw holes: 158mm from rear/ 30mm between screw holes 4: Electrical Connection, and removable green plate: Length: 437mm Width: With Rear flanges: 95mm Body:78mm Distrance from rear to removable panel: 58mm Length of removable panel: 175mm Width of " " : 33mm 5: Position of screw holes on above panel: From rear to rear screw hole centres: 12mm From edge to " " " " : 27mm From front to front screw hole centres: 142mm From edge to " " " " : 20mm 6: Electrical connection on Firestreak front body section, dimensions for casing given earlier in topic. Hope this is of use. If my IT skills ran to it, you would have fully annotated photo's! In the meantime good luck deciphering what I have written. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICMF Posted April 2, 2014 Author Share Posted April 2, 2014 Whoops. Missed the last batch of pics. Great stuff - thanks! Now I just need a good walkaround of a Red Top and I can get these printed up and ready for casting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfergylee Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 On 26/02/2014 at 20:07, roys said: Few snaps of a sectioned Redtop taken at Aeroventure Museum Doncaster.http://s854.photobucket.com/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=42#/user/roys1966/media/SDC11092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=43&_suid=13934449079010646188708211453 Also Not quite sure what this one is ! That is a rather rare Vickers Red Dean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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