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HI chaps, i would love a debate on this subject,but alas my typing skills dont match my knowledge,if you dont mind waiting for some answers,i dont mind trying to type,more than a few lines?practice does make perfect or so i believe?

I dont think we mere mortals,have all the information,for us to put a valid argument across,there are far too many anomolys with history,as we know it?,but i do think another 20 years of this www internet thingy,and we will all see new things,look whats happened in only the last couple of decades,we seem to be morphing into a one tribe/race,granted we are not there yet,but we are getting there?

i mean im only one person,but i know that the history i was taught in school,is basically all wrong?now if i know that,what do other more knowledgable people know?a lot more im sure?but i think with this internet world wide,more people are realising its a small world really,and there are some strange things happening/,happened.and we dont know what they are,

Its ok,what marty,says about a few things happening here and there,and granted 25 years ago,the only way i would of heard about a lot of them,was buying a book,but now we have almost instant access to people in other parts of the world,and we are slowly realising these things are not sparodic occurrences,but quite commonplace?i dont know the what the outcome of all this will be,but im sure its something we will be shocked by?imho,and if anybody thinks this thread should,nt be in real space,well whatever?

cheers Don

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Any-one have any ideas? I was wondering if they were drones at high altitude, but why a wopping great light, and can they necessarily be heard at ground level? Are there any military aircraft that can't be heard from the ground?

The whopping great light is so the people on the ground operating them can see them, maybe? Sound behaves strangely, depending on altitude, wind speed and direction, air pressure gradients, moisture content and many other factors. It's quite common for aircraft noise to be blown far away from any potential viewer.

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Sound behaves strangely, depending on altitude, wind speed and direction, air pressure gradients, moisture content and many other factors. It's quite common for aircraft noise to be blown far away from any potential viewer.

The one constant sound has, it always travels in a straight line.

Marty...

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Is that true.?

All waves (sound, light etc) can be bent depending on the medium through which they are passing. They can also be speeded up, slowed down, attenuated, magnified, refracted or defracted.

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I do believe in aliens and M artian P eople and they do live in another world, but they like to visit us and meet in a big house in London near to a river and make lots of funny noises at one another. I have not seen them myself, but, I AM A BELIEVER. :lol:

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I think it is somewhat arrogant to assume that we are the only intelligent life form in the universe, and that we are intelligent is debatable if you watch Jeremy Kyle or most of the Americans who claim to have been abducted.

However I think if you allow for normal aircraft, sneaky beaky air stuff not in the public domain, Satellites, Weather Balloons, naturally occurring events etc I suspect 99.9% of sighting are explainable, however, that does leave that .1 %.

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The whopping great light is so the people on the ground operating them can see them, maybe? Sound behaves strangely, depending on altitude, wind speed and direction, air pressure gradients, moisture content and many other factors. It's quite common for aircraft noise to be blown far away from any potential viewer.

Hi Jessica, the wind was from the east, the lights were travelling initially overhead then towards the north east, so my assumption at the time was that the wind should have carried any sound towards my direction. The reason I knew at the time that we had an easterly was due to steam coming from the local Sugarbeat factory chimney which was in line of site. Thus ruling out chinese lanterns or balloons etc.

I'm in total agreement with you, but I have never ever seen aircraft lights in a night sky and not heard the associated engine noise.

I'm still foxed, as I say, I am a member on the Dundee Tracking Station site and according to them, there wasn't anything in transit at that time.

I still believe they were manmade, but I do believe in the existence in alien life out there in deep space. The chances that we are being visited are very slim.

That's unless they have managed to work out how to warp time/space to jump between two points.

Maybe another race has managed to achieve that, but until I see it for real...

Martin

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Surface wind was from the east, but what were the winds aloft doing?

There is that! :) Valid point.

All the same it was an eery experience.

It will remain a mystery to me!

If I had to guess, I would say that they were at altitude and the jetstream could have been carrying them, but as I said the four separate lights made a turn & they weren't all on the exact same flight path.

I'll just never know.

I still remember it all very clearly & was just struck by how bright the lights were and how quickly they were moving.

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Does extraterrestrial life exist in the Universe and are UFO's extraterrestrial are two entirely separate questions.

Does other life exist in the Universe, chances are it does. Drake theory and all that.

Are UFOs visiting aliens, I'm afraid I have not seen the slightest evidence to support this view. But, the accounts and stories do make interesting reading.

Marty...

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Hi, ah Kallisti,the cotton wool king, i saw these yesterday,and immediatly thought of you,strange that?

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cheers Don, will we see a scratch build figure shortly...

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What if UFOs aren't aliens, but merely humans travelling through time, come to visit us in our primitive, pre-time travel idiocy?!?! That might explain why they don't stop off and make proper contact, because they know what we are like already. They can pootle around, looking at the past and seeing what they have read about first-hand. And all they had to do was master time travel. That must be easier than interstellar travel, right?

Did I just blow anyones mind?

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Hi, ah Kallisti,the cotton wool king, i saw these yesterday,and immediatly thought of you,strange that?

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cheers Don, will we see a scratch build figure shortly...

I just can't get my head round these pics!

Looks like the girl is promoting the Nevada test range holiday resort! "The hottest place to strut your stuff!" Come to the best place to get an instant sun tan!

Radioactive cake any one? They really do look in celebratory mood don't they?

How times & attitudes change!!!

Martin

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OK.....What are we actually discussing here? :hmmm:

Are we talking about UFOs.....Well they definitely exist, if you see something in the sky and can't identify it, guess what? Just a matter of data. However, despite fairly comprehensive radar and visual data being available, some these objects continue to remain unidentified (publically at least):

Belgian_Triangle_1.jpg

Belgian_Triangle_3.jpg

Or are we discussing the possiblity of visits from Alien Spacecraft.....We'd only know about those if the occupants wanted us to. However given the size and age of the universe its almost a mathematical certainty that they are cruising around out there somewhere, but as I said, whether we'd know anything about it would be entirely up to them (read the book in my signature for an idea of how such an encounter might go). B)

So yeah.....They exist. :P

Nah, swamp gas being carried by a chinese lantern reflecting off Venus

There is footage from 3 different viewpoints around the city. In one of them you see it descend slowly first of all, then the flashes and rapid departure.

I thought the Jerusalem footage had been proven fake (can check).....However the Rendlesham incident is very, very real. It's been suggested that the object in the images above may have been involved and that a similar object has been photographed on at least one seperate occasion in the UK (apparently with a fighter escort), but the image was never released when the MOD declassified it's 'UFO Files' a while back. :nerd:

PS - There's also a third possibility.....Terence & Dennis Mckenna have some interesting ideas about it, but then, they would. :hypnotised:

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OK.....What are we actually discussing here? :hmmm:

Are we talking about UFOs.....Well they definitely exist, if you see something in the sky and can't identify it, guess what? Just a matter of data. However, despite fairly comprehensive radar and visual data being available, some these objects continue to remain unidentified (publically at least):

Belgian_Triangle_1.jpg

Belgian_Triangle_3.jpg

Or are we discussing the possiblity of visits from Alien Spacecraft.....We'd only know about those if the occupants wanted us to. However given the size and age of the universe its almost a mathematical certainty that they are cruising around out there somewhere, but as I said, whether we'd know anything about it would be entirely up to them (read the book in my signature for an idea of how such an encounter might go). B)

So yeah.....They exist. :P

I thought the Jerusalem footage had been proven fake (can check).....However the Rendlesham incident is very, very real. It's been suggested that the object in the images above may have been involved and that a similar object has been photographed on at least one seperate occasion in the UK (apparently with a military escort), but the image was never released when the MOD declassified it's 'UFO Files' a while back. :nerd:

PS - There's also a third possibility.....Terence & Dennis Mckenna have some interesting ideas about it, but then, they would. :hypnotised:

Firstly, can I point out that those two "allegedly" alien triangles, are one and the same image. One has simply been rotated and exposure adjusted. They could be of anything.

Any man/woman can believe what they want to believe, nothing can change that.

After all is said and done, whatever these triangle/flying wing sightings are, one day we will know exactly what they are and what they're used for. I just personally think that any-one that thinks they're not man made is nuts, but that's my opinion & that's coming from some-one who has seen UFOs. That's Unidentified Flying Objects, not absolutely certainly alien craft! The clue is in the description!

Martin

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At no point did I use the word 'Alien' in connection with the triangle.....In fact I made it pretty clear that in my opinion we'd only be seeing aliens on their terms. :rolleyes:

Testing our air defence capabilities would be pretty pointless for a race with interstellar travel capabilities.....If they wanted to fight us they could just accellerate a moderate sized pebble to a significant proprtion of the speed of light and turn Cheyenne Mountain into Cheyenne Hot-Springs and that's assuming they would be so crass as to use kinetics, which frankly I doubt. :fraidnot:

A couple of billion smart nano-drones the size of a grain of dust each containing a speck of say Pollonium 210 could really spoil your day, or if you'd really annoyed them, they could load 'em with an anti-particle or two instead! To paraphrase a great author, "A low tech culture tends to encounter a high tech culture in rather the same way that a sentence encounters a full stop." :analintruder:

As for the pictures, I just chose the first two Belgian Triangle pictures that came up.....Simply because it's a case that is VERY well supported by multiple sources of hard evidence. :smartass:

On this portion of the video tape that Col. DeBrouwer has, in such an ex ceptional manner, allowed us to see, we can hear the radio exchange of the two pilots. The emotions of the pilots are clearly perceptible. "Look," the Colonel tells me stopping the VCR, and showing me the diamond shape on the screen, "At this stage in the chase in our military jargon it means a successful interception."

Then I said, in layman's terms, what does a "successful interception" mean? He answered, "Our fighter planes are armed with automatically self-directed missiles. Once they are launched internal computers in the missiles intelli- gently guide the missiles to the target by themselves. Of course, in this case of the UFO there was no question of doing that. We only wanted to identify the intruder."

The pilot did not even have time to start this procedure, which requires the fighter's radar to stay locked on for at least six seconds. But the object had speeded up from an initial velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000 meters to 1,700 meters...in one second! This fantastic acceleration corresponds to 40 Gs. [A "G" is a unit of acceleration. One G is equivalent to the gravitational pull of the earth, 9.81 m/sec/sec.] It would cause immediate death to a human on board. The limit of what a pilot can take is about 8 Gs. And the trajectory of the object was extremely disconcerting. It arrived at 1,700 meters altitude, then it dove rapidly toward the ground at an altitude under 200 meters, and in doing so escaped from the radars of the fighters and ground units at Glons and Semmerzake. This maneuver took place over the suburbs of Brussels, which are so full of man-made lights that the pilots lost sight of the object beneath them.

"In any event, it was out of the question for the F-16 to catch up with the object at this low altitude, where the density of the air limits the speed to 1,300 KPH. Above that speed, the temperature in the compressors of the jet tur bines would cause the engines to burst," said Col. DeBrouwer. "There was a logic behind the motions of the object."

(Note - Apologies for the hyperbole in the quote.....Please try to ignore the UFO buff's daft commentary and concentrate on what the Belgian Air Force Colonel is saying. :blush: )

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/belgium.htm

As to it's origins, well I'd say Lockheed Martin might be as good a bet as any.....Where the technology behind it might have originated on the other hand, is another question altogether. ;)

What if UFOs aren't aliens, but merely humans travelling through time, come to visit us in our primitive, pre-time travel idiocy?!?! That might explain why they don't stop off and make proper contact, because they know what we are like already. They can pootle around, looking at the past and seeing what they have read about first-hand. And all they had to do was master time travel.

Their very presence here would screw up their subjective timeline.....If they came here they could never get back to their original timeline, as for them it would no longer exist. They would have created a new timeline (or perhaps skipped between pre-existing 'parallel' timelines) upon arrival by virtue of their sudden appearance in a place they shouldn't be (from the point of view of their original objective timeline). :nerd:

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At no point did I use the word 'Alien' in connection with the triangle.....In fact I made it pretty clear that in my opinion we'd only be seeing aliens on their terms. :rolleyes:

Testing our air defence capabilities would be pretty pointless for a race with interstellar travel capabilities.....If they wanted to fight us they could just accellerate a moderate sized pebble to a significant proprtion of the speed of light and turn Cheyenne Mountain into Cheyenne Hot-Springs and that's assuming they would be so crass as to use kinetics, which frankly I doubt. :fraidnot:

A couple of billion smart nano-drones the size of a grain of dust each containing a speck of say Pollonium 210 could really spoil your day, or if you'd really annoyed them, they could load 'em with an anti-particle or two instead! To paraphrase a great author, "A low tech culture tends to encounter a high tech culture in rather the same way that a sentence encounters a full stop." :analintruder:

As for the pictures, I just chose the first two Belgian Triangle pictures that came up.....Simply because it's a case that is VERY well supported by multiple sources of hard evidence. :smartass:

(Note - Apologies for the hyperbole in the quote.....Please try to ignore the UFO buff's daft commentary and concentrate on what the Belgian Air Force Colonel is saying. :blush: )

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/belgium.htm

As to it's origins, well I'd say Lockheed Martin might be as good a bet as any.....Where the technology behind it might have originated on the other hand, is another question altogether. ;)

Their very presence here would screw up their subjective timeline.....If they came here they could never get back to their original timeline, as for them it would no longer exist. They would have created a new timeline (or perhaps skipped between pre-existing 'parallel' timelines) upon arrival by virtue of their sudden appearance in a place they shouldn't be (from the point of view of their original objective timeline). :nerd:

Forward time travel is well understood, in fact the crews of the Apollo space shots to the Moon experienced minuscule amounts of time travel. To achieve meaningful time travel as noted above one has to get close to the speed of light. Travelling backwards in time is less well understood and is still the subject of great academic debate, however there does appear to be a consensus that it is only possible to travel back to the point of origin: Basically it may be possible to go forward in time and return to where one started looks like it is about as good it gets.

I was under the opinion that the Rendlesham Forest incident had been confirmed as a hoax? But for some reason is still talked up by UFO buff's.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/east/series3/rendlesham_ufos.shtml

Yes, UFOs exist, no ET is not the pilot. For instance there is still a lot meteorological and geology science that is still not fully understood and this Planet is far more complex than most of us realise.

Marty...

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What if UFOs aren't aliens, but merely humans travelling through time, come to visit us in our primitive, pre-time travel idiocy?!?! That might explain why they don't stop off and make proper contact, because they know what we are like already. They can pootle around, looking at the past and seeing what they have read about first-hand. And all they had to do was master time travel. That must be easier than interstellar travel, right?

Did I just blow anyones mind?

Like this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flipside_of_Dominick_Hide

Andy

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