bootneck Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'd like to build an AEC Mandator Mk.V aircraft refueller in RN service but I cannot seem to find a source of plans or dimensions. Can anyone here help please? I've googled and seen a few books on the AEC Mandator but there's no evidence that they contain any plans or dimensions. Did any issues of the Tankette, AFV News, Belona or Military Modelling mags etc. have these details? cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Try Googling Royal Navy refuellers, quite a few images come up showing , AEC 0856, Mamoth Major Mk6 ,Mandator and others in RN service, so I would suggest your answer is yes . Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtd350 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Those god awful things were a piggin nightmare to drive and it was a Herculean task to get the PTO in...............ahh... fond memories I'm gonna say...........no. I have vague recollections as a young erk being sent to a Navy base and seeing yellow ones (ours were green). More than likely used for land based A/C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phildagreek Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 God's chosen aircraft were known to stop off at Crab locations though....................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Those god awful things were a piggin nightmare to drive and it was a Herculean task to get the PTO in...............ahh... fond memories I'm gonna say...........no. I have vague recollections as a young erk being sent to a Navy base and seeing yellow ones (ours were green). More than likely used for land based A/C. Surely you mean yes if you saw yellow ones at a FAA base, no-one would expect to see them on carriers . Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'm surprised at the lack of knowledge on this subject. I will try another forum to see if I can get some definitive information Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evalman Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) I'm pretty certain that the FAA didn't use these. However, as 849 Sqn Gannets were shore based at RAF Lossiemouth, RN Phantoms at RAF Leuchars and Buccaneers at RAF Honington during the 1970s it would have been RAF vehicles refuelling these RN types. Edited November 29, 2013 by Evalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Thanks. Pity as I think they would have looked good in yellow livery. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You mention trying another site: have you tried http://www.airfieldinformationexchange.org/community/forumdisplay.php?33-Airfield-Vehicles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evalman Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Thanks. Pity as I think they would have looked good in yellow livery. Mike They were actually painted yellow when first introduced (late 1960s?) and remained yellow until the mid 1970s when 'tone down' came into fashion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Hi Graham, yes, I regularly view this site and have posted a query. No definitive info on being used at RN airfields so will just have to go with the green and RAF aircraft. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Hi Mike, Try this site, some of my pics are on here. It does show the refuellers that your on about, I am sure they are in Yellow, but they are RAF bowsers........various military bowsers feature throughout, there are 3 pages of them and you can view as a slide show........................just type mammoth major in the search bar if they do not come up Good Luck http://miliblog.co.uk/?cat=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Try ergomatic as that's the cab they used and a lot of the time they where called ergomatics. because they where being built as Leylands, AEC, or Albion at various factories over the production run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted December 1, 2013 Author Share Posted December 1, 2013 Thanks Rayprit, I'll check those out. Rich, I didn't know that cab was produced by other manufacturers. So I could be looking at a Leyland, AEC or Albion and all with exactly the same facia and grill etc? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprit Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 In a cost cutting scheme, a joint venture between Leyland, Albion & Dodge (L.A.D) the three companies shared the same type of Ergomatic cab, all built by Motor Panels and Park Royal. Unfortunately at the time, the steel used must have been very low quality and as regards paint protection that was also very poor and within three to four years corrosion was rampant so it was necessary to remove the cab from the chassis and repanel them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Basically the companies where about to merge so it could be anything. Not even the badge or even the factory that built it made a difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 As an old time trucker who has driven many variants of both the LAD & Ergo cabs, it was always my understanding they were not the same. The LADs were as stated, made for Leyland Albion & Dodge as seen here whereas the Ergomatic cabs, quite nice to drive & far better for entry & exit than the LADs as seen here were only produced for Leyland parented trucks, ie Leyland, Albion & AEC. Afaik Dodge was never part of the Leyland grouping. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 The ergomatic and LAD cabs are completely different and not related. Dodge didn't join in the Leyland merger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think we're drifting off the subject and losing focus on my question. The model is of an AEC Mammoth Major refueller and I am just trying to find if this actual specification was ever used by the Royal Navy and painted yellow. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evalman Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 After looking through many books and internet pics I think I can safely say that the RN never used this type of refueller. If you want to build this in a yellow scheme it would have to be a RAF vehicle from the late 1960s-mid 1970s. I found this image from 1976, not a Mammoth Major in sight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianfuller/80555834/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 is it wheelbase etc you want, if its technical info I may have it, if it military info, I wont! It may be worth looking for Leyland bison as that's the 6 wheel chassis with the ergo cab. Ive popped your request on a truck forum I go on see if they have any pics or info for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hi Rich, the question, with an image, is posted at the very beginning of this thread. I now have two of these kits and would like to get started on them but unsure if they were used by the Royal Navy on Naval Air Stations cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 After looking through many books and internet pics I think I can safely say that the RN never used this type of refueller. If you want to build this in a yellow scheme it would have to be a RAF vehicle from the late 1960s-mid 1970s. I found this image from 1976, not a Mammoth Major in sight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianfuller/80555834/ Not necessarily true, the AEC left of centre could well be a Mammoth Major with an earlier cab, but obviously not the ergo cabbed MM that Mike is after info about. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richellis Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I would say no then, as the AECs pre date the ergo cab, and the bedfords would post date the Ergo. Looking at pictures online it looks like they used older AEC trucks, and when they needed replaseing they went for Bedfords. Looks like its RN went for Bedfords. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evalman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Mike, I've looked everywhere and have seen no evidence that the RN used the type of refueller depicted in the PG Kit (which looks very nice by the way). I remember seeing them at St Mawgan in the early 1970's (painted yellow) but never saw one at Culdrose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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