Karl Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Hi, Does any one know if the Revell boxing of the F-104C/G StarFighter is the same plastic as the old Monogram F-104? Cheers. Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim T Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Yes, as far as I am aware. Raised panel lines etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Leader Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 If you mean the 1/72 Revell Germany one, which was released in C, G & TF versions then I doubt it. I have several boxings of these and they have finely recessed panel lines. This kit is very similar to the latest Hasegawa offering. Cheers.. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Which one ? Assuming you think of 1/48 kits, Revell did their own F-104 before Monogram and the kit allowed to build both the C and the G from the same box. This kit is inferior to the Monogram one. Later, revell repopped both the Hasegawa and the Monogram F-104G. These can only be built as G models In 1/72 scale on the other hand, the nice Revell kit of the F-104C was reboxed under the Monogram label for the US market, so in this case the two kits are the same but the original mould is revell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) Aagh - sorry, I didn't say did I!! 1/48 scale kit - I recently picked up the C/G older Revell kit and was wondering if it was the same as the Monogram. Thank you for the information. Karl Edited October 15, 2013 by Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidWinter Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Do you mean this kit? http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=187272 If so, it's a reboxing of a much older kit. Raised panel lines and rough surface texture. You can see sprue shots here: http://scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboom/index.php/all-things-aviation/148-scale/kit-reviews/773-148-f-104g-starfighter-tiger-meet this example is for the yellow tiger meet boxing, but the plastic is the same (just grey, not yellow). My biased opinion not withstanding, the decals are unusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Do you mean this kit? http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=187272 If so, it's a reboxing of a much older kit. Raised panel lines and rough surface texture. You can see sprue shots here: http://scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboom/index.php/all-things-aviation/148-scale/kit-reviews/773-148-f-104g-starfighter-tiger-meet this example is for the yellow tiger meet boxing, but the plastic is the same (just grey, not yellow). My biased opinion not withstanding, the decals are unusable. There's a bit of confusion in those links: the Tiger Meet box contains the Monogram kit. The boxes with both the C and G/J contain the original Revell kit. The monogram kit might be dated in some aspects, but it's still better than the original revell kit. The timeline shown on Scalemates again confuses things: the 1980 box shown is the original revell kit. The 2002 one is a rebox of the hasegawa kit. The tiger meet box and the newest 2013 issue are reboxes of the monogram kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 (edited) It's this one: Parts break-down looks different to the 1/48 'Tiger Meet' F-104 in David second link, so I guess it's the original Revell issue. Interesting about the Revell 2002 issue being the Hasegawa kit. Karl Edited October 15, 2013 by Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 It's this one: Parts break-down looks different to the 1/48 'Tiger Meet' F-104 in David second link, so I guess it's the original Revell issue. Interesting about the Revell 2002 issue being the Hasegawa kit. Karl Yes, that is the original Revell mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostbase Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Was in the United States last week and picked this kit up from the Lone Star Flight Museum in Galveston TX - Revell 85-5324 dated 2013 - 1/48th F-104G Starfighter: Nice selection of decals aimed at the North American market: And it definitely looks like the old Monogram F-104G with the raised panel lines and the horizontally divided fuselage. I last remember this as the yellow German Starfighter with a black eagle colour scheme. Moulded in Poland, decals from Italy, box printed in China, packaged in USA. Cost just about $29 once tax was added on which I thought was a bit pricey. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidWinter Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just an FYI, I counted something like 31 errors on the Canadian markings. Can't speak for the USAF stuff, but if you want to do an RCAF/CAF build, I'd recommend replacing the decals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 There's a bit of confusion in those links: the Tiger Meet box contains the Monogram kit. The boxes with both the C and G/J contain the original Revell kit. The monogram kit might be dated in some aspects, but it's still better than the original revell kit. The timeline shown on Scalemates again confuses things: the 1980 box shown is the original revell kit. The 2002 one is a rebox of the hasegawa kit. The tiger meet box and the newest 2013 issue are reboxes of the monogram kit I wouldn't say "a bit"; It's a complete mess Giorgio. No only does he mix European and Japanese Revell releases but he also has the kits origin all wrong. I wonder if the person that did those pages and the timeline had ever seen the kits in question or just guessed whose tooling was used... The correct timeline for Revell Germany 1/48 scale F-104 kits: First we have Revell's own tooling released in 1977; basically a scaled down version of their older 1/32 scale kit: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=264095 The photo of the Revell kit that karl posted is the mid 80s rebox of the above (Same plastic, different box & decals) Then Revell released the Hasegawa rebox in 2002: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=115267 And finally the Monogram kit in 2011: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=102295 (And what's with that "new parts" crap? This is the same kit as originally released by Monogram in 1978.) http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=114003 There, that wasn't hard. was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) And now a correct timeline for Monogram: Original 1978 release (kit is a F-104G, with the Vinten VICON reconnaissance pod for the CF-104 included) http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=114003 1984 release as a F-104C with all the appropriate changes made (IFR probe, short rudder, etc) http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=135649 1986 (?) rebox of F-104C as a tie-in with the "Tour of Duty" TV show (that didn't have any F-104s in it but I digress): http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=176355 1987 rebox of the original F-104G kit with new impressive looking but complete useless decals for the JaBo33 retirement ceremony in 1985. http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=159246 1990 reissue of the "Tour of Duty" F-104C with all references to the show removed: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=135650 1992-1993 limited "non catalogue" release of the F-104G kit for the European Market. Box, instructions & decals printed in Germany, similar to Revell Germany's own kits, Real Tiger Meet aircraft was a F-104S so Revell included one sheet of white styrene to make your own ventral strakes : http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=203191 The 2011 Revell Germany rebox of the F-104G kit: http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=102295 And finally the 2013 Revell USA rebox of the F-104G kit that Ghostbase posted. Edited February 21, 2014 by Panoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostbase Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Just an FYI, I counted something like 31 errors on the Canadian markings. Can't speak for the USAF stuff, but if you want to do an RCAF/CAF build, I'd recommend replacing the decals. The market this is probably aimed at I would not be surprised. I was pleased to see the 'Fighting 69th' tail fin decals as I can copy these and then upscale them for a 1/32nd F-104G (dare I say the 1/32nd Revell kit?) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostbase Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 And now a correct timeline for Monogram: Thanks Panoz, interesting how a kit can keep popping up in new clothes over the last 36 years. BTW the original Revell H236 was quite basic and the Monogram kit of just a year later was way better. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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