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Greg B

Airliners.net and Copyright issues....

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Gents and Ladies,

As its been handbags at dawn in the Airliners Area over copyrighted photographs. Here is the legal requirement from Airliners.net:

LINK

How does it affect you on Britmodeller? Quite simply, post a raw photo from Airliners.net and it will be removed.

If you continue to post them you will attract a warning and a suspension followed by removal from the site reserved for the very hard of understanding :winkgrin: . If you decide to edit out the Airliners.net tagging along the bottom, and we find it (we do check) then it will be an automatic ban. :fuhrer:

Airliners.net have a lot of money, they are subscription based to use their forum, they also sell the photographs for stock images and rely on links to their website to generate traffic for further sponsorship and advertising revenue. Therefore they can afford to chase down websites and individuals who do not follow this simple requirement and we are not willing to put BM at risk over this.

This also applies to any other sites who share the same policy.

Therefore please think before you post any picture that has not been taken by you.

Regards

Greg B

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Greg, judging from the page on Airliners.net there should no problem if the link to one of their pictures is inserted in a discussion, do I read this correct ?

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It really isn't a big deal to email the photographer and ask - I haven't had a request refused yet

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It really isn't a big deal to email the photographer and ask - I haven't had a request refused yet

Yes you can do that, they do say this. However if you are then going to use the pic straight from airliners.net you also have to let them know that you are doing it and you have the copyright holders permission to do so.

Julien

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Greg, judging from the page on Airliners.net there should no problem if the link to one of their pictures is inserted in a discussion, do I read this correct ?

Yes Giorgio, that's the way it should be done.

You have limited rights to personally view the images with your web browser and to use them as your personal computer wallpaper (or background image) on your own computer. These photos may not otherwise be reproduced, distributed, cropped, resized, or otherwise altered without the written permission of the photographer. No commercial use of these photos may be made in any way. All rights are reserved.

You may not use these photos on any web page, commercial or non-commercial, for profit or non-profit, without written permission from the photographer. You may however link to the photos in the manner described below.

On your own PC for your own reference or use, it's fine, however as BM is a web page, you must have written permission from the photographer (how do we check that?) Or to make it simpler, use a direct link to the photograph so it is viewed on their site. As before, they rely on the site traffic to generate revenue, take it away from them and they get upset.

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Does this thread not open up a whole can of worms ?,

I notice a lot of BM members use ID photos that have obviously been downloaded off the net, surly some of these must infringe copyright issues ??? !!!! :police: :police: :police:

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Does this thread not open up a whole can of worms ?,

I notice a lot of BM members use ID photos that have obviously been downloaded off the net, surly some of these must infringe copyright issues ??? !!!! :police: :police: :police:

If it comes from a specific site like airliners.net then it would, as greg says. On the other hand if it comes from a more anonymous site, and carries no copyright logo or message, then it being placed in the public domain will probably mean it's ok to use. If you want to examine the pic properly then you can check the metadata - save the pic to your computer and hold your cursor over the pic thumbnail (don't click on it to open it) and a little yellow box will appear giving all kinds of interesting info, date and time taken, even the camera used.

If the metadata has been stripped (as happens when you put a picture on facebook for example), then you have no way of knowing who took it.

This has been called 'orphan rights' in a law change recently. In the event of a photo having no traceable owner or copyright holder, it's open season on it's use, since by putting it the web for everybody see and save, it's in the public domain.

Thats the theory anyway

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Technically Kevin (and in the nicest possible way) I'm afraid you're wrong. The photographer/original creator of an image tends to hold the copyright and using it without permission (i.e. "licence") is in breach of copyright law. Those whose copyright has been infringed will generally win IF they choose to pursue the copier. Using a link to the page rather than embedding the image is acceptable since it is transferring the user to a place where a licence is held.

Mind you, if all the copyright holders enforced their rights the courts would never do anything else.

PS/ Stripping out the metadata actually makes your "honest mistake" defence fall apart. There is no automatic distinction as to whether you're using for commercial or any other purposes either, contrary to urban myth.

Edited by Kirk

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I did say 'probably' Kirk :)

...and that it was the theory.

edit -

by the way - there is no 'i' in my name. I may have to copyright this and register it as a trademark.

then I'll sue anybody who mis-uses me.....

Edited by Kev1n

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by the way - there is no 'i' in my name. I may have to copyright this and register it as a trademark.

then I'll sue anybody who mis-uses me.....

you cant do that Kev1n, but you could become a limited company and protect your signature that way. One example; Sir Stirling Moss is a limited company and can sue anyone who misuses his image or name.

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He could register a plc or llp of course - but it does seem overkill. Joining some kind of support group may be more cost-effective. IIRC, Prince Rogers Nelson had similar issues but got though it with time and sympathy.

Have we perhaps drifted a little off topic here? This started off as a seemingly reasonable reminder not to infringe image copyright. Kv^(n-1) made the equally reasonable point that it is OK if he has a licence, so (Greg) is it acceptable for a BM member to add something like (Image licence granted) to anything embedded?

Kirk™ *

[* "Kirk" is not in fact a registered trademark in UK or ROI and any attempts to publicise his existence will be met with extreme mirth.]

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He could register a plc or llp of course - but it does seem overkill. Joining some kind of support group may be more cost-effective. IIRC, Prince Rogers Nelson had similar issues but got though it with time and sympathy.

Have we perhaps drifted a little off topic here? This started off as a seemingly reasonable reminder not to infringe image copyright. K[/size]v^(n-1) made the equally reasonable point that it is OK if he has a licence, so (Greg) is it acceptable for a BM member to add something like (Image licence granted) to anything embedded?

Kirk™ *[/size]

[* "Kirk" is not in fact a registered trademark in UK or ROI and any attempts to publicise his existence will be met with extreme mirth.]

We would prefer that links are just used. It removes the temptation to just say that image permissions have been granted whilst keeping your fingers crossed ;)

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just remember there is only one (1) of me

yeah I know....your all amazingly grateful that there is...

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just remember there is only one (1) of me

yeah I know....your all amazingly grateful that there is...

Are you sure ?, could be copyright issues at stake here Kevn

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Kev1n

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just remember there is only one (1) of me

yeah I know....your all amazingly grateful that there is...

There is a God after all.!!!!

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:yikes: Now what's he going to do? :tease:

maintain a dignified silence.

oh alright then...I'll throw a hissy fit instead

yeah Stuck....

it's mine!

M1NE!!!

(stamps foot petulantly)

edit -

by the way...check out his bio....then check out when I joined BM....I came first....he should call himself Kev2n

Edited by Kev1n

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