1/48 - Messerschmitt Bf.109F/G/K "Friedrich"/"Gustav"/"Kurfürst" & Avia S-99/C-10 family by Eduard - F/G/K & S-99/S199 released

[Tbolt]

8 hours ago, Masinissa said:

New shots of the forth coming 1/48 Bf-109K on Instagram. The kit will be released in September. I'm interested to see how different the new tool Bf-109K is from the Bf-109F/G family.

 

The box will have one set of sprues, photoetch, masks for one model, but decals and stencils for two kits.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CuUiowStFys/

 

Decals and stencils for two kits? That doesn't seem right if there's only one set of sprues.

[Masinissa]

1 hour ago, Tbolt said:

 

Decals and stencils for two kits? That doesn't seem right if there's only one set of sprues.

It seems this is their new approach to Limited Edition kits. The newly released 8th Air Force P-51D has 10 decal options, plastic, resin, masks photoetch for one kit. The FM-2, due in August is the same. Cuts the price down to an MSRP of about $50. If you want to build another kit then the Overtrees are available.

 

I don't mind this because I may only have time to build one kit.

[zigster]

You've got a kit and a decal for it, actually - two choices!

Getting a double set of stencils is a bonus, for your next, or to the spares box.

One may have a 10 choices on the decal sheet, then gets aftermarket, anyway.

You can't always get what you want...and so-on by Rolling Stones😉

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[Tbolt]

14 hours ago, Masinissa said:

It seems this is their new approach to Limited Edition kits. The newly released 8th Air Force P-51D has 10 decal options, plastic, resin, masks photoetch for one kit. The FM-2, due in August is the same. Cuts the price down to an MSRP of about $50. If you want to build another kit then the Overtrees are available.

 

I don't mind this because I may only have time to build one kit.

 

10 or so is about normal for the Limited Edition kits. The Weekend kits have decals for 4 versions, it just seems strange to have only 2 and 2 sets of stencils ( stencils you can buy separately anyway ) in a Limited Edition boxing? Not that it bothers me as I'm not keen on Eduard's decals quality anyway.

[Homebee]

Source: https://www.facebook.com/EduardCompany/posts/pfbid035oEDimr4x9EecyV9fqaHMdSRoYwDGj5QjHJtUWsVAwxoaATrkm6dzSR7JWrr7NQcl

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We continue to work on the molds for 1/48 Bf 109K-4. September release! The Limited Edition kit Kurfürst will contain plastic parts for one model, but decals for ten markings options and stencils etc. for full two models.

 

 

V.P.

[Tbolt]

So ten markings, that's more like it. 

[Homebee]

Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=813379907249446&set=pcb.813379967249440

Released - ref. 11177 - Messerschmitt Bf.109K-4 "Kurfürst" 

https://www.eduard.com/eduard/kurfÜrst-1-48.html

 

 

 

V.P.

Edited December 16, 2023 by Homebee

[RHWinter]

I dearly hope, also the 109-K will be selling very well, as this should pay for the S- and especially CS-199, which I am desperately waiting for… 😬😁

[Homebee]

Source: https://www.facebook.com/EduardCompany/posts/pfbid035gUrv9Eaa1sZdmVgEYLQs4QgbjAf5C3fGQfTKXc4hUix2uUeqRQJB5qnBrD9Be7Kl

 

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Eduard 1/48 Bf 109K-4!

Our main September novelty is the KURFÜRST 1/48 scale kit in Limited Edition under cat. no. 11177.

This is a completely new Bf 109K-4 kit design from new injection moulds.

The design of this kit is based on the original 1/48 scale Bf 109 F/G kit, but as with the new 1/72 scale Bf 109 F/G/K kits, it has been redesigned to current technological rules and incorporates design improvements to reflect the latest developments in our kits.

We have tried to incorporate feedback from our customers and therefore compared to the previously released 1/48 Bf 109 F and G kits, the Bf 109K-4 kit has the following conceptual improvements:

- Newly designed engine cowling shape.

- The position lights are moulded separately as a clear parts.

- The wheel wells have a redesigned section for the landing gear leg, incorporating sheet metal perforations.

- The division between the fuselage and wing centerplane has been moved to the rear, beyond the first fuselage partition. This allows cleanly molded details on the rear lower centroplane section, most notably the large access cap for the water/methanol mixture tank.

- The exhausts are also newly designed.

 

 

V.P.

[amos brierley]

I’ve been waiting patiently for this rascal, a few more weeks….. and hopefully a few more months and the two seat will fill another hole in my collection ( errr I mean stash).   😉

[ABeck]

Things to look at:

-Is the plastic landing gear leg corrected ? The metal BRASSIN legs for the G version look quite good.

-Has some design change be done to the attachment of the legs to the airframe in order to get the right angles (like Tamiya or the ED 72nd kit) ?

-Has the left side engine cowling been corrected ?

Eagerly awaiting the real plastic !

[Tbolt]

6 hours ago, ABeck said:

Things to look at:

-Is the plastic landing gear leg corrected ? The metal BRASSIN legs for the G version look quite good.

-Has some design change be done to the attachment of the legs to the airframe in order to get the right angles (like Tamiya or the ED 72nd kit) ?

-Has the left side engine cowling been corrected ?

Eagerly awaiting the real plastic !

 

Hopefully all this has been corrected. The width of the exhaust looks much better as well.

[Tomas Enerdal]

Please, know that I'm a real nitpicker, obsessed with accuracy. If this level of nitpicking disturbs you, don't read any further. You'll only get irritated.

 

I have looked as closely as possible on the built up pics on Eduard's FB page.

What I see is getting me worried, really worried.

I have concentrated on the nose. What has bothered me over all these years is the fact that the nose of their various G:s is slightly too wide at the front. The diameter of the spinner is approx. 1 mm too wide. The exhausts and their openings are too wide as well. Agreed, not by much, but these faults makes the nose look a little "tubby", the sleekness of the real nose gets lost. 

When I look at the pics of the nose it looks like Eduard has copied their own G-10 in this respect, rivet by rivet. True, the exhausts now look much better, but the opening is still too wide! Is the nose diameter still too wide as well?

 

The kit now has a new layout of the sprues. The K parts are there. But I'm worried that Eduard has missed an opportunity to finally get the last (Luftwaffe) 109 perfect. I sincerely, SINCERERLY hope that I'm wrong!

 

BTW, the radio hatch has been mowed forward one section as it should. The fasteners at the corners look better. But isn't the hatch itself too tall?

 

We'll soon know, one way or the other.

 

Edit:

Just found out that the kit is now released by Eduard. Building instructions here.

Edit 2:

I´we tried hard to see how Eduard has modified the left side of the engine cowling, something they state that they have corrected/improved. Due to the angle of the photos, it's impossible to determine such a change. I'm trying to compare pictures of a built model (K-4) to not yet assembled parts (WNF G-10), however, a near impossible task at this stage. But I'm not sure I can see anything, really.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Tomas Enerdal
Now released.

[hopkp]

6 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

Please, know that I'm a real nitpicker, obsessed with accuracy. If this level of nitpicking disturbs you, don't read any further. You'll only get irritated.

 

I have looked as closely as possible on the built up pics on Eduard's FB page.

What I see is getting me worried, really worried.

I have concentrated on the nose. What has bothered me over all these years is the fact that the nose of their various G:s is slightly too wide at the front. The diameter of the spinner is approx. 1 mm too wide. The exhausts and their openings are too wide as well. Agreed, not by much, but these faults makes the nose look a little "tubby", the sleekness of the real nose gets lost. 

When I look at the pics of the nose it looks like Eduard has copied their own G-10 in this respect, rivet by rivet. True, the exhausts now look much better, but the opening is still too wide! Is the nose diameter still too wide as well?

 

The kit now has a new layout of the sprues. The K parts are there. But I'm worried that Eduard has missed an opportunity to finally get the last (Luftwaffe) 109 perfect. I sincerely, SINCERERLY hope that I'm wrong!

 

BTW, the radio hatch has been mowed forward one section as it should. The fasteners at the corners look better. But isn't the hatch itself too tall?

 

We'll soon know, one way or the other.

 

Edit:

Just found out that the kit is now released by Eduard. Building instructions here.

 

 

 

I'd consider myself to be fussy enough, but to be frank there's nothing in your list that would bother me at all. I doubt that the perfect kit of any subject will ever exist and I  suspect that anyone expecting it to will always be disappointed.....

[Tomas Enerdal]

Of course you're right, the search for the perfect kit will always be futile.

What bothers some, may not bother others. If a dimension is a mm or two off does seldom bother me at all, but I'm sensitive to shapes and proportions.

I was hoping that they would correct the nose to make it as accurate as their spits, just as an example. The problem with accuracy faults is that I'll always will see them in the finished model, now knowing that they are there.

On second thought, the radio hatch does seem ok. And the gear legs look beefier as well.

I've always kept a special place in my hart for the K-4, since the early days when it was described in the Monogram "O-nine" gallery, 50 years ago! (I bought it immediately, I was 15 then. My first real reference, I still have it.) The first I did with the Revell G-10 was to convert it to a K-4.

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by Tomas Enerdal

[Tbolt]

19 hours ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

Please, know that I'm a real nitpicker, obsessed with accuracy. If this level of nitpicking disturbs you, don't read any further. You'll only get irritated.

 

I have looked as closely as possible on the built up pics on Eduard's FB page.

What I see is getting me worried, really worried.

I have concentrated on the nose. What has bothered me over all these years is the fact that the nose of their various G:s is slightly too wide at the front. The diameter of the spinner is approx. 1 mm too wide. The exhausts and their openings are too wide as well. Agreed, not by much, but these faults makes the nose look a little "tubby", the sleekness of the real nose gets lost. 

When I look at the pics of the nose it looks like Eduard has copied their own G-10 in this respect, rivet by rivet. True, the exhausts now look much better, but the opening is still too wide! Is the nose diameter still too wide as well?

 

The kit now has a new layout of the sprues. The K parts are there. But I'm worried that Eduard has missed an opportunity to finally get the last (Luftwaffe) 109 perfect. I sincerely, SINCERERLY hope that I'm wrong!

 

BTW, the radio hatch has been mowed forward one section as it should. The fasteners at the corners look better. But isn't the hatch itself too tall?

 

We'll soon know, one way or the other.

 

Edit:

Just found out that the kit is now released by Eduard. Building instructions here.

Edit 2:

I´we tried hard to see how Eduard has modified the left side of the engine cowling, something they state that they have corrected/improved. Due to the angle of the photos, it's impossible to determine such a change. I'm trying to compare pictures of a built model (K-4) to not yet assembled parts (WNF G-10), however, a near impossible task at this stage. But I'm not sure I can see anything, really.

 

 

 

I never liked the look of their 109's with the large exhausts but they look smaller on their K kit. I don't know if they have adjusted the nose or just the exhausts and/or the exhaust cutout.

[dragonlanceHR]

17 hours ago, hopkp said:

I'd consider myself to be fussy enough, but to be frank there's nothing in your list that would bother me at all. I doubt that the perfect kit of any subject will ever exist and I  suspect that anyone expecting it to will always be disappointed.....

Heh. Of course anyone is entitled to his opinion and people enjoy this hobby in their own ways.

Yet when a manufacturer shows us what they can do - the Spits, the new FWs, F4Fs and A6Ms, this 109K feels like a big letdown. 

Oh well. I knew there was a reason I bought several Vector 109G-10 conversion sets when they were released.

[Tomas Enerdal]

There is always a risk of being too quick to judge based on photos of a built up test model.

TBolt; it looks from the pics that the exhaust cutout is still a little too wide

The kit has been released, however, let's see what it really looks like IRL. I am very interested in the verdict from ABeck. 

 

The Vector 109G-10 conversion set is nothing short of wonder in its own. The master maker of Vector is a real artist. The subtle shapes of the engine cowling have been captured perfectly: the bulges under the nose are not understated, the left side compressor bulge is prominent enough, and the spinner front has the correct diameter as is the width of the exhaust stubs.

I wonder if this conversion can be grafted to the new Eduard kit?

Edited August 30, 2023 by Tomas Enerdal
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[Fullofit]

Anyone else feels underwhelmed by the Kurfürst markings Eduard offers in this boxing? They seem too similar to one another to pick even one interesting scheme, let alone select another one for the second set of decals included in the box. Don’t know if they get any better, but I’m hoping they held back something more inspired for the ProfiPACK boxing.

[hopkp]

2 hours ago, Fullofit said:

Anyone else feels underwhelmed by the Kurfürst markings Eduard offers in this boxing? They seem too similar to one another to pick even one interesting scheme, let alone select another one for the second set of decals included in the box. Don’t know if they get any better, but I’m hoping they held back something more inspired for the ProfiPACK boxing.

I'd be far from an expert, but from what I know of the topic I think that the Eduard kit colour schemes are pretty representative of those seen on Bf 109Ks. Actually I've always thought that the K was the least interesting 109 version from the colour scheme perspective.....

[Homebee]

Released  - ref. 11177 - Messerschmitt Bf.109K-4 "Kurfürst" 

https://www.eduard.com/eduard/kurfÜrst-1-48.html

 

 

V.P.

[Phas3e]

I find the 109K to be the most interesting from a colour perspective (Japos book is a must have if you can find a copy these days) but yeah the offerings in the the first box dont scream "build me" to me personally.

 

Ill be grabbing one at some stage for sure, but probably a weekend box.

[dragonlanceHR]

On 9/5/2023 at 7:52 AM, Phas3e said:

I find the 109K to be the most interesting from a colour perspective (Japos book is a must have if you can find a copy these days) but yeah the offerings in the the first box dont scream "build me" to me personally.

 

Ill be grabbing one at some stage for sure, but probably a weekend box.

Did you catch the note in the September Eduard Info about the possible new JaPo book on the 109G?

[Tomas Enerdal]

The possibilty of a new JaPo book including new LW camouflage findings sounds promising!

Mr Sulc elaborates a bit about the schemes of the K-4 in his newsletter, from his short description it sounds like they were more uniform than previously thought. The JaPo team are so very skilled at this, I have many of their books. How interesting! No news on the JaPo page, however. 

[elger]

so I'm curious about how much retooling has been done - the Eduard fuselages have always been a tad taller than the competition. Is there anyone with both Eduard kits (the older G series and the "retooled" K) who could compare fuselages and see if they're still as tall (especially behind the cockpit) or if the height has been reduced?