1/48 - Messerschmitt Bf.109F/G/K "Friedrich"/"Gustav"/"Kurfürst" & Avia S-99/C-10 family by Eduard - F/G/K & S-99/S199 released

[Tokyo Raider]

4 hours ago, RHWinter said:

Go buying lots of them K-4's: That will make the release of an Avia CS-199 more probable..!😁

I plan to get a few K4 kits.  Its my favorite 109.

[Homebee]

Programme 2023 

Source: https://www.eduard.com/out/media/InfoEduard/archive/2022/info-eduard-2022-10-special.pdf

 

 

 

V.P.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Homebee

[Sturmovik]

At last! The long awaited hero that was foretold in the scrolls of the Dead Sea.

 

Not really. It was already obvious Eduard was going to release a K-4 by taking a look at the sprue names (F, G and K) on their 109 Fs. Maybe they'll add a new sprue with the doors for the main landing gear. A scheme that most likely will be offered is Green 4, the red tulipped K-4 found at Deutsch Brod at war's end.

Edited October 17, 2022 by Sturmovik

[Lusitanian]

I believe it has been stated that the K kit will not share any parts in common with their earlier Bf 109 kits.

 

Best wishes!

Edited October 18, 2022 by Lusitanian

[ABeck]

...better is (would be),

quite some changes which necessitate new molds.

at least good hope for correct cowling bulge over the left side super charger housing and correct main gear legs..........

E. has received the basic information on these items ( and never reacted to this).

[Tomas Enerdal]

On 18/10/2022 at 09:08, ABeck said:

...better is (would be),

quite some changes which necessitate new molds.

at least good hope for correct cowling bulge over the left side super charger housing and correct main gear legs..........

E. has received the basic information on these items ( and never reacted to this).

Dear all,

Here I noted a wish for corrected main gear legs in the forthcoming (2023) 1/48 Bf-109K-4 from Eduard, a kit I’ve been looking forward to for many years now.

So far I have believed that the K-4 shared the same main gear leg as later G-10/14 fitted with the larger 660 x 190 main wheel.

I have several references on the subject (Hitchkocks one-o-nine gallery, close-Up 16, Aero Detail 5, Prien/Rodeike Bf 109 F,G&K, Valiant Wings Bf 109 Late/Franks, Bf 109 F to K/Ritger, among others) but they are all a bit vague regarding this. From pics they look more or less the same.

I have noted in the corner of my eye the various discussions about the Eduard 109 over the years, but not followed them as a 109G is not on my bucket list. Is there something wrong with the main gear legs in Eduards later G-10/14 kits?

[Troy Smith]

58 minutes ago, Tomas Enerdal said:

Is there something wrong with the main gear legs in Eduards later G-10/14 kits?

 

they are not the later type AFAIK, which came in possibly with the first set of enlarged wheels which were introduced with the G-3/4 model, when the small kidney wing bulge for the wider wheel and solid disc hub first appeared, which would make sense with rising weight of the airframe.

 

Perhaps @ABeck  could expand upon this.  One to image hunt later.

 

I have seen a few complaints about the retooled Eduard 109 G series,  including only ones style of gear leg, that the exhaust are too deep (approx 50%) and they have not got the later enlarged cowl right,  seem to be the main ones, though they do not seem to be backed up with details and photo comparisons of the complaints.

 

HTH

[ABeck]

These are the correct reinforced later landing gear legs (G-5 thru K). They can only be acquired as seperate and rather expensive BRASSIN set in the Eduard accessoiry line. The plastic parts of all G kits represent the sleek legs (F thru G-4)

 

[Tomas Enerdal]

Ahh, Thank you!

I can understand that having to pay extra for accurate parts, even though they are stronger and have more detail, may get some people to feel "cheated"? But they do look simply gorgeous...

It will be very interesting to see if gear legs (possibly also front fuselage, exhausts and spinner, too?) will be replaced in the kit..

Tomas 

[zigster]

Of course, they may feel cheated if the parts in the box not represent the part which should be there, and, the same time producer offers a correct part, as an extra.

That's their business model, and that's why they are (mostly) aftermarket producer.

It was said several times on this forum, that their main line is add-on pieces. Plastic is just a sideline.

Those legs looks great, though!

zig

[colin]

Eduard have a strange business process, buy an expensive kit from us, it's not accurate and we know it but don't care, but buy an equally expensive resin/brass extra and it can be.

And people sing their praise for this  

[Masinissa]

16 hours ago, colin said:

Eduard have a strange business process, buy an expensive kit from us, it's not accurate and we know it but don't care, but buy an equally expensive resin/brass extra and it can be.

And people sing their praise for this  

 

The only reason we know about this issue is because there are experts that post information on the internet. Look at every other manufacturer. In fact the landing gear legs are mostly an afterthought in every aircraft model that's ever been kitted. 

 

From Arcforums 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/301905-148-bf-109-g-5-through-k-landing-gear-legs/

 

[Masinissa]

16 hours ago, colin said:

Eduard have a strange business process, buy an expensive kit from us, it's not accurate and we know it but don't care, but buy an equally expensive resin/brass extra and it can be.

And people sing their praise for this  

 

The only reason we know about this issue is because there are experts that post information on the internet. Look at every other manufacturer. In fact the landing gear legs are mostly an afterthought in every aircraft model that's ever been kitted. 

 

From Arcforums 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/301905-148-bf-109-g-5-through-k-landing-gear-legs/

 

[zigster]

No-one can be an expert on landing gear of all kits produced, (my guess is - that's include producers).

In forums like this one, there's always someone, who is "into" specific airframe.

And I would like to thank them for shearing their knowledge.

Some manufacturers and their fanboys claiming "It was Lidar scanned".

Yes, sure, then you have 1:72 MiG17 or Anson with dimples on wings,

Those 3D programmers should look into some other methods "to get a picture".

After all, their work will affect sales of the kit, they working on.

End of my rumble...😄

z

[ABeck]

7 hours ago, Masinissa said:

I took this pic. some time ago when this discussion arose. The three  to the left are the "early" legs. The one in the middle is Eduard. To the right we see the old Revell G-10 and the current G-6 from Tamiya (well, ... in my view the best representation in 1/48 plastic).

 

7 hours ago, Masinissa said:

The only reason we know about this issue is because there are experts that post information on the internet. Look at every other manufacturer. In fact the landing gear legs are mostly an afterthought in every aircraft model that's ever been kitted. 

 

From Arcforums 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/301905-148-bf-109-g-5-through-k-landing-gear-legs/

 

 

[Tomas Enerdal]

Perhaps this follow-on question moves this thread slightly away from the Rumourmonger theme a little? Let me know and I'll start over on the aircraft pages.

But my thoughts circle around how to make a very accurate Bf-109K-4, when the kit eventually arrives.

In this case I'm considering alternatives if indeed the Eduard K-4 will show up sharing the same imperfections as the Eduard series of various G-models seem to suffer from.

It seems like the Eduard brass legs will take care of the problem with too slim legs.

But what about the too broad/fat exhausts and the too large spinner?

-Question 1: Do the Eduard Brassin resin G-10 engine, with cowls, share the same problem as the kit itself? Or will a replacement Brassin engine (cowlings and exhaust) ED648441 solve the problem?

-Q 2: If the Brassin engine is also problematic, has anyone contemplated replacing the complete front with the Vector resin G-10 WDF conversion/engine VDS48-131? A graft do seem possible.

-Q 3: Or should I just steal the front end from an old Revell G-10 and graft it on an Eduard K-4?

-Q 4: which propeller/spinner is the best: Brassin, Fusion, Eagle editions, Cutting Edge, Cooper detail?

 

Since we do not yet know what the Eduard K-4 will look like, this is all speculations. But I was hoping that this path had been examined by someone as interested in accuracy as I am. Possibly in a search for an accurate G-10/G-14/G-5

Edited November 1, 2022 by Tomas Enerdal

[Homebee]

Error. F. Awfulschmitt...

 

V.P.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Homebee

[MiG-Mech]

1 hour ago, Homebee said:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/EduardCompany/posts/pfbid02dvF69GzXihkTVeAcAMF4WmFp3jyvjeheNTdJBVm94BPSzF5WHb2M1PRWzZ9S8hVYl

 

 

 

V.P.

Wrong topic.

[RHWinter]

13 minutes ago, MiG-Mech said:

Wrong topic.

or, at least, wrong scale.. 😁

[ABeck]

wrong thread, can happen.

[MiG-Mech]

10 hours ago, ABeck said:

wrong thread, can happen.

Happens, when you're hunting for your post counter. 

[Wuger91]

Hello

 

Eduard is working on Bf 109 K mold.

 

 

Ref https://www.facebook.com/groups/811765288916408/user/100000164436132

Edited May 20, 2023 by Wuger91

[Homebee]

Moulds Messerschmitt Bf.109K-4 Kurfürst in progress

Sources: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMviKJtTi1/?fbclid=IwAR2FzQCmFp9-FzPoKL60Ju__ZSj4Cphb4OYdqD_gBC4Wek2_EskvY1agAd0

https://www.facebook.com/groups/811765288916408/posts/6243975599028656/

 

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We are in final phase of 1/48 Bf 109 K preparation. Work in progress of electrodes that are getting ready for finalizing of metal molds surface.

 

 

V.P.

[Homebee]

Released - ref. 82115 - Messerschmitt Bf.109F-2 Friedrich - ProfiPACK edition

Source: https://www.eduard.com/eduard/bf-109f-2-1-48-1-8.html

 

 

V.P.

[Masinissa]

New shots of the forth coming 1/48 Bf-109K on Instagram. The kit will be released in September. I'm interested to see how different the new tool Bf-109K is from the Bf-109F/G family.

 

The box will have one set of sprues, photoetch, masks for one model, but decals and stencils for two kits.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CuUiowStFys/