Wez Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Hello everyone, whilst I was rummaging around the stash I happened across a couple of Heller boxes, one for the D.500/501 and another for the D.510. I've been looking for sites that have technical data on the types but they're a bit thin on the ground, I've found this thread here http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31732-british-dewoitine-d510-l4670/ and the link off of it to here http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.network54.com/Forum/394728/thread/1237702339/DEWOITINE%2BD510&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAERONET%2BGCE%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB%3aofficial%26hs%3Depj (sorry about the length of the link but I don't make up the url's), which has some useful stuff. Most of what Mr Google turns up isn't detailed enough and is invariably the same old stuff. Does anyone know of a site tha contains some useful technical information such as cockpit views etc? It's a future project. Wez Edited September 25, 2013 by Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG 33 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Hi Check PMs. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Hi Check PMs. Patrick Hello Patrick, any chance to get the infos ? it is a forum isn 'it ? )) thanks O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_w Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) it is a forum isn 'it ? )) thanks O. Entièrement d'accord , nous aussi on veut (sa)voir cordialement BS_w Edited September 27, 2013 by BS_w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Entièrement d'accord , nous aussi on veut (sa)voir cordialement BS_w Comme ça c'est dit ! Many thanks for your kind reply. I already have this publication. Found this wonderfull build ( you certainly know ) : http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=69664 sorry in french but pictures speak well with a step-by-step. cheers Olivier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share Posted October 15, 2013 Comme ça c'est dit ! Many thanks for your kind reply. I already have this publication. Found this wonderfull build ( you certainly know ) : http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=69664 sorry in french but pictures speak well with a step-by-step. cheers Olivier Olivier, Just taken the time to look through the thread in the link you posted, very helpful I must say. Thanks for posting. Wez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 There's a technical manual here: http://www.aerostories.org/~aeromule/appareils.htm You must use emule or similar to get it. More interesting stuff at the links in "les rubriques" Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planebuilder62 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Hello there I would like to build a silver French D510 from the Heller kit. Were these planes left in NMF or were they painted silver? Regards Toby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 Holy thread resurrection Batman! It's hard to pick out much tonal variation on the metal surfaces but then again, if all the metal surfaces were made from the same material you're unlikely to see any. My guess and it is only that, is that the metal surfaces were natural metal and the fabric surfaces silver dope. Hopefully somebody will come along with more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I agree with Wez. On some photos slight variations in colour can be noticed: Aluminum surface seems to be less shiny in those days. Higher percentige of magnesium in alloy, perhaps? Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 10:25 AM, Planebuilder62 said: Hello there I would like to build a silver French D510 from the Heller kit. Were these planes left in NMF or were they painted silver? Regards Toby According to the maintenance and repair manual (Notice d'Entretien et de Réparation) Duralumin was varnished. No colour is specified but, as Jure points out in post 10, there is some variation in colours so I would guess it was a transparent varnish. Duralumin was aluminium alloyed with copper, not magnesium. There is some useful information on this site - http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=106591 Scroll down and you will find the manual. The relevant paragraphs have been outlined in red. The complete manual is here - https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k318460b/f1.image.r=notice%20d'entretien%20avion%20Dewoitine This other manual, Notice Descriptive et d'Utilisation, has drawings of more interest to the modeller. https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k317619c.texteImage Mike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 11:33 AM, Michou said: Duralumin was aluminium alloyed with copper, not magnesium. In fact it is with both: copper and magnesium (though less amount then copper) also less manganese and silica. https://www.britannica.com/technology/duralumin BTW I have personal experience in dissolving duraluminum in acids and the small silica addition becames very obvious during dissolving and required use of HF to remove a kid of brown mud-like substance... Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VG 33 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Hello We used to call Duralumin as AU4G => (AlCu4MgSi). Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michou Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 21 hours ago, JWM said: In fact it is with both: copper and magnesium (though less amount then copper) also less manganese and silica. https://www.britannica.com/technology/duralumin BTW I have personal experience in dissolving duraluminum in acids and the small silica addition becames very obvious during dissolving and required use of HF to remove a kid of brown mud-like substance... Cheers J-W Thanks for your comments. I wrote "Duralumin" with a capital D as this is the word used in the in the 1937 manual for the Dewoitine D.500. Duralumin (upper case D) is a trade name for one of the earliest hard aluminium alloys which I believed used only copper. It has certainly been improved with other additives in the intervening years. Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Michou said: I wrote "Duralumin" with a capital D as this is the word used in the in the 1937 manual for the Dewoitine D.500. Duralumin (upper case D) is a trade name for one of the earliest hard aluminium alloys which I believed used only copper. It has certainly been improved with other additives in the intervening years. Mike Indeed, I was surprised when I've read in Britanica, that name cames after some name, so far I thought that "dur" cames from latin as for this alloy hardered properties ("dura"="hard"), so a bit funny... Cheers J-W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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