Vesa Jussila Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hi, I have this Heller old kit in my stash. What are main issues with that? I don't have proper reference material about it, so any information will be good. Br. Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warhawk Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I haven't checked dimensions on it, but it is a very fine kit, which nicely captures the overlapping panels of the real thing. One thing that does bother me are the transparencies, which are too thick, which shows in the rear machinegun nest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 IIRC the kit is a bit lacking in interior details, but I haven't seen the kit in a couple of decades, so I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPL Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It was part of a series which Heller called the museum series, a series of French aeroplanes from the late 1930s and WW II. They were quite nice kits, better than the average at that time. I made the Potez (and a lot more) more than thirty years ago and had no troubles. NPL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Good to hear that it seems to be proper kit. So I will build it in near future. There just was some kind of memory stamp in my brains that there was some kind of dimension problem, but good that I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Some of the old French subjects by Heller are very good but others are ugly - I'm talking about dimensions and accuracy. I don't know where the Potez fits, but I think I have somewhere scale drawings that I can scan if you wish. Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks Carlos. If you can find those I'm interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) Hi, If we are speaking about the 63-11 ( and not the 630/ 631 ) here is few decal sets you should be interrested in : Not too bad with english livery..... A nice kit but with a little bit short fuselage.( 4mm at the tail ) and some shape accuracy issues with windows. Some extra details and you will have a very nice build. It was the plane flown by St Exupery at the beginning of the war... A nice build here : http://fighters.forumactif.com/t32462-potez-63-11-a-3-heller-1-72 Nice tech drawings here : http://lapatrouillesimple.forumgratuit.org/t491-potez-63-11 cheers Olivier Edited September 24, 2013 by JOAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Just found the drawings in Air Magazine #19 - http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article517.html A building article in Réplic 48 refers a span too big by 12 mm and some other small problems easily correctable. The worst part of the kit seems to be the thick transparent parts. Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 At first sight the drawings in the link sent by Oliver are much better than those in Air Magazine. I could locate at least one serious error that affects the whole apparency of the aircraft. I'll scan them anyway. Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPL Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Some of the old French subjects by Heller are very good but others are ugly - I'm talking about dimensions and accuracy. I don't know where the Potez fits, but I think I have somewhere scale drawings that I can scan if you wish. Carlos I agree, but not because they are bad, but just because they are uggly. E.g., the Amiot. NPL with a smile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don McIntyre Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I keep bidding on the 1/48 kit (Azur?)on eBay, but keep losing the auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I've had one of these kits in The Stash for about 35 years. It's a kit very much of its time, but having said that it's a lovely little kit. I really should build it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I agree, but not because they are bad, but just because they are uggly. E.g., the Amiot. NPL with a smile Well, I can find some beauty on those French pre-war subjects... Some kits are really bad, actually. The Morane 225, for instance, has a completely wrong fuselage and needs severe surgery to fix it. Unfortunately it's the only game in town. In the Mureaux the main problem lies in the wing, if I remember well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I agree, but not because they are bad, but just because they are uggly. E.g., the Amiot. NPL with a smile ...and Olivier with a smile too ! ::;;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natter Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Falcon vacform canopy set No.26 (from Hannants at 12:99) has a Potez 63-11 canopy set on the sheet, which should take away the problem of over-thick transparencies for those brave enough to try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_w Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) A nice kit but with a little bit short fuselage.( 4mm at the tail ) and some shape accuracy issues with windows. Some extra details and you will have a very nice build. Hello, Length potez 63-11 is 10,800m(horizontal) or 10,560m (on the ground) 63-11 is shorter than 630/631 (length 11,070m).... the length of Potez Heller is correct with 150mm for 10,800m Cordially BS_w Edited September 26, 2013 by BS_w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) Hello, Length potez 63-11 is 10,800m(horizontal) or 10,560m (on the ground) 63-11 is shorter than 630/631 (length 11,070m).... the length of Potez Heller is correct with 150mm for 10,800m Cordially BS_w Hello, you are certainly right. Compare to Air Magazine n° 19 the wingspan seems to be a 6 mm longer than reality. just found the Zdenek Sebesta's wonderful build : cheers Olivier Edited September 26, 2013 by JOAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) ... some nice materials here : http://alternathistory.org.ua/aviatsiya-v-mire-alternativnoi-frantsii-mfg-potez6311 O. Edited September 26, 2013 by JOAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_w Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) Compare to Air Magazine n° 19 the wingspan seems to be a 6 mm longer than reality. span real a/c 16,00m(15,946), Heller's model 224mm for 222,2mm. The biggest defect is the nose too masssive, common at all models Po 63-11..... Edited September 26, 2013 by BS_w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 span real a/c 16,00m(15,946), Heller's model 224mm for 222,2mm. The biggest defect is the nose too masssive, common at all models Po 63-11..... Not the current subject but do you have any comments about the 630 Azur in 1/48 ? O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS_w Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 any comments about the 630 Azur in 1/48 ? I haven't the Po 630, but I've the Po 63-11. The wing is same for the Potez 63 family as every Azur models. The wing of Azur model has a good size and proportion. There is only the dihedral which too flat (3°20' in place 5°30' - measuring on the topside of front spar ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 Thanks for all answers, I clearly need to get those vacuform canopies and decals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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