Daniel Cox Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hi All, Here are some Copyright expired images some Hawker Demon aircraft of the Royal Australian Air Force sourced from Argus Newspaper (Melbourne, Victoria), archival prints. One thing to note with respect to printed newspaper photographs is that they will often have notations, crop marks and corrections or in the case of wartime images censored areas painted and or drawn/written on the print. Whereas newspaper negatives most often do not suffer from any retouching. Cheers, Daniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Lovely photos. Interesting to see the un-polished under cowl. Daniel did you ever receive those F2b decals? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cox Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hi John, I'm sorry I hadn't responded, they took a long time to arrive and it was coincident with my computer kicking the bucket, after that I clean forgot about it . Thank-you for sending them I do appreciate it immensely and apologise for neglecting an appropriate and timely thank-you. If I can do anything for you don't hesitate to ask anytime. As to the pictures, here are some more; Cheers, Daniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Despite the name Demon, the Australian Demons were in reality two gun Hinds and a similar spec to the Hartebees. I notice a mix of 15" braked wheels and some 19" braked types. (tail wheel = main wheel brakes). John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 A super set of pictures Daniel, thanks. I was going to ask about what appeared to me to be different tyres but I think John has answered for me. The 1st photos with the dark wheel hubs appear to me to have balloon type tyres whereas the silver hubbed wheels somewhat slimmer profile tyres. I'm guessing the dark hubs are 15" wheels & the silver hubs 19" wheels. The overall diameter seems much the same when measured against the undercarriage struts. Balloon tyres for rougher strips? Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The 15" tyre combination seems to have phased out the 19" braked wheels. The early un-braked wheels on skid fitted Hawkers were also 19" with fabric covering. The Balloon tyres fitted to Hardy's, I believe were on a 12" hub. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Thanks John, to me that was one area the MMP book on the Hart family didn't address very well. Those beaut photos of Daniels show it off quite well to my mind. 12" wheels, cripes, assuming the same or similar tyre diameter, they must have been very "balloony". Would they have been braked or not, not a lot of space for brakes in a 12" wheel, so they'd have had skids? Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Hardy's fitted with the balloon tyres had skids but I feel the illustration in the excellent Mushroom book for the balloon tyre is oversize. Egyptian Panther Audax's also had these fat tyres. but with tailwheels. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Amazing set of pictures. Many thanks for sharing with us. Olivier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Wings Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Does anybody have original photos of the Hawker Demon control panel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOAN Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) Does anybody have original photos of the Hawker Demon control panel ? Something like that ? and here : http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234917006-hawker-demon-gunners-seat/ Olivier Edited October 4, 2013 by JOAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Its just a thought but from a quick read at the MMP book on the Hart Family it would seem that it should not be too difficult to create a 1/32 Demon from a Silver Wings Hart The design changes they state are 485 hp Kestrel 11S supercharged engine - how different from the Hart engine in looks? Twin Vickers machine guns on the fuselage for the pilot Sloped cut out to rear cockpit coming for the gunner to afford a better field of fire Omit prone bomb aiming position Gunner has a folding seat Parachute stowage for the gunner behind the pilots seat Gunner anchored to the floor by a chain and quick release fastener - the "monkey chain" Containers to collect spent bullet casings to prevent damage to side of fuselage when guns fired - I assume not visible externally Long exhaust pipes Tail wheel instead ok a skid (but see postings above) Resin conversion set anyone - or are Silver Wings listening in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Wings Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Thank you Olivier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Thanks for the photos, Daniel. On the last one, what is that cylinder near the insignia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I assumed it was something to do with lifting the machine up when on the ground. the other photos show a hole in the same location so presumably a fitting attached while on the deck, possibly for handling, but that's just a guess on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I think you mean the weights to adjust the C of G when flown solo. The square device beneath the rear cabane strut is the link collector. The aircraft testing it's guns in the gun butts probably has an armourer in the rear cockpit to supervise the harmonisation. a pilot would do the actual firing as this required the engine to run. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I think you mean the weights to adjust the C of G when flown solo. Thanks. That makes sense! I always thought that weight variations were dealt with adjustment of tail plane incidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Tailplane incidence will compensate for minor changes in C of G but will also effect the range and feel of control movements. Weights will restore the moment arm around the C of G optimum range. Many aircraft have internal weights. Canberras have them under the navs bed, single seat Vampires have them on the nose bulkhead and Meteors on the nose u/c frame. Spitfires have them in the rear fuselage. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossack52 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 why do interwar aircraft look so much better in black and white photos than colour?the sharpness of some of the above pics is unbelievable,especially considering their age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarLos Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 why do interwar aircraft look so much better in black and white photos than colour?the sharpness of some of the above pics is unbelievable,especially considering their age Most pictures were taken with large format cameras, and that makes a great difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The Meteor has weights attached to the front bulkhead because the original design was balanced for six cannon not the four fitted. The weights were not needed on the Mk.8 because of its longer nose. The Hawk has depleted uranium in the fin for ballast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham T Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Its just a thought but from a quick read at the MMP book on the Hart Family it would seem that it should not be too difficult to create a 1/32 Demon from a Silver Wings Hart The design changes they state are 485 hp Kestrel 11S supercharged engine - how different from the Hart engine in looks? Twin Vickers machine guns on the fuselage for the pilot Sloped cut out to rear cockpit coming for the gunner to afford a better field of fire Omit prone bomb aiming position Gunner has a folding seat Parachute stowage for the gunner behind the pilots seat Gunner anchored to the floor by a chain and quick release fastener - the "monkey chain" Containers to collect spent bullet casings to prevent damage to side of fuselage when guns fired - I assume not visible externally Long exhaust pipes Tail wheel instead ok a skid (but see postings above) Resin conversion set anyone - or are Silver Wings listening in?? I think SW HAVE been listening & I think one is in the pipeline! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I believe the Australian Demon retained the Bomb aimers position. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAL Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Beautiful images of some of our Hawker Demons, Daniel. You wouldn't have any with the TT paniers installed, would you? Cheers RAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham T Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 A Facebook query to Silver Wings brought the response that the Demon is due this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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