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Fritag

1/72 Jet Provosts - Finished

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That tiny light on the JP5 is so tiny I can't actually see it.

I'll take your word for it that it's there!

Love the anti col. lights, amazing.

Thanks for the link, all the best.

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Those JPs are just superb!

I think I am going to have to steal some of your techniques for when I get around to finishing a couple of Dominie builds that I have had hanging around for a couuple of years now.

You've also quite put me off building a replica of the JP5A that I soloed on. :weep:

I told you you'd fit in well here Debs

Some days/nights its like a trip to the garden bar at t'mess here

Cept the beer prices are too high

I dont let him scare me, I just bow as he passes and get on with clobbering plastic my way

And the Dominies, please put them into a WIP

or two

Soon

Ah yes

I was thinking Steve, do you have any Tamiya Clear Blue X-23?

Rather than add mucky pigmentation the red and green just need 'blueing' up a tad

Then there'll be a visible contrast and the lenses will look more like the real thang, y'know worrameanman

They have never looked that R e d or G r e e n to me, always quite a bit more crimson and emerald

b

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Get them Dominies onto a WIP Debs - it's amazing what motivation that gives you..... :)

First solo on a 5A? That means BFTS at Cranwell?

We'll need a Herc build as well of course.......

OK I'll start a thread [gulp]

Yup Graduate me - I never flew the 3A as a stude. The 5A was a pretty serious proposition for an abbo (I fully concur with your posts about being a sweaty and shaking student!).

A Herc build? Oh Jays that'll be a C1 and a C3 as well as 'Snoopy' then. Bloody slave driver!

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Good gravy!

Just when I think you've shown it all, you go and up the ante Steve.

That is some incredible finesse on display. How the dickens do you manage to sand the bottom of a 1mm sphere flat by holding it with needle nose pliers? If I even attempted anything like that the piece would ping off my model bench to disappear into the ether before I'd even touched it with the pliers.

I am duly flabberghasted.

As for the tip lights on the -3 Tamiya smoke would certainly be one way. In the past I've often used thin washes of Citadel Miniatures or similar black acrylic ink to darken them. In fact, I generally give the green ones a wash of blue first since many do look quite blue when not in use. This may not be the case with the ones on JPs so hopefully your memory (or reference photos) can illuminate you. (See what I did there.....?)

Although I'm sure you're keen to move on to your next challenges I'm a little glad that we still have some japery to see us into 2015.

Happy New year mate. May 2015 bring you and your missus all you could wish for.

Cheers.

Edit: Just read Bill's post. Great minds and all that. Or is it "fools rarely differ"? :winkgrin:

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Yep - great minds chaps.

I was thinking Steve, do you have any Tamiya Clear Blue X-23?

Rather than add mucky pigmentation the red and green just need 'blueing' up a tad

As for the tip lights on the -3 Tamiya smoke would certainly be one way. In the past I've often used thin washes of Citadel Miniatures or similar black acrylic ink to darken them. In fact, I generally give the green ones a wash of blue first since many do look quite blue when not in use. This may not be the case with the ones on JPs so hopefully your memory (or reference photos) can illuminate you. (See what I did there.....?)

We're down in Norfolk for a couple of days so modelling is limited to BM browsing - but I'll have a look for x-23 and/or citadel inks in Norwich tomorrow. The JP3 tip tank green light definitely has a bluish tint. Edited by Fritag

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Those lights are brilliant...(sorry)!!

Aren't most 'green' tip lights blue cos they use yellow bulbs? That's what I've always been led to believe anyway (unless they have green/red bulbs under clear covers that is!)

K

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On JP3s the stbd tank light is a very dak green - like a very dark wine bottle glass green.

At least the one we have in the museum is.

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Those JPs are looking absolutely fabulous! The detail you have added is just astounding and, carefully photographed, would be difficult tell apart from the real thing! Brilliant job. What are you going to do with them when finished? It would be a real shame if bits were knocked off over time by the dusting monster!!

On a different note, have you seen this? Been delayed till Sunday due to today's miserable wx but at least someone is trying to keep our old flying training station open!! :)

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On JP3s the stbd tank light is a very dak green - like a very dark wine bottle glass green.

At least the one we have in the museum is.

I took this one ages ago (outside):

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And this last year at Newark (inside):

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And this is the port side (red) one at Newark:

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So I guess the lighting conditions (not surprisingly) have something to do with it. But I think I need to be aiming at a black witn a hint of red/green look. Somehow......

On a different note, have you seen this? Been delayed till Sunday due to today's miserable wx but at least someone is trying to keep our old flying training station open!! :)FentonRevival_zps61c8c667.jpg

Oooo. Now flying out of CF again would be fun. Might persude me to get current on my NPPL again...

I flew with Tom Cassells a couple of times out of Bagby and did most of my NPPL on his Slingsby firefly. It's fair to say that his precision when flying aero's was pretty impressive......

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Well that solves that one then

Black with a hint of "yes its black, would I lie to you!" to any detractors feeble enough to think there ought to be colour

cool man!

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IIRC I went with a couple of layers of Tamiya Smoke much as you suggested above Steve, on my 48th Aeroclub one all those years ago, It looked OK compared to my pics of the Cosford one.

K

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Jeepers my eyes are aching just thinking about those lights. Teeny tiny though they are, like the other bits and bobs you've added, they make it look like the real thing miniaturised Fantastic Voyage style.

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Steve,

For comparison this is our JP3 in various natural light:

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(You have to forgive the colour scheme - XM402 was never updated to JP3A status so never wore the red/white/grey. The old men at the Museum thought it looked better this way :rolleyes: )

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I picked up some Clear blue in Langleys in Norwich. So I've now got Tamiya clear red, clear green, clear blue and smoke thinned and ready to go. Must be able to sort out the tip tanks lights with that lot?

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I've painted a couple of test strips in clear red/clear green - and I'll practice applying blue and/or smoke over the top to see what I end up with,

I had a very good Christmas/New Year as far as relaxing/socialising goes - but rather unproductive as far as modelling goes.

I must say that it's been noticeable how much progress has been made on numerous BM builds during that time tho' - so at least I've been able to read about models (with one notable exception Bill (Perdu)- that said I see you've been sorting Ex-FAAWAFU's home brew decal needs :))

I was going to mention my trip to Norfolk and revisiting my old home at Her Majesty's Prison Bure. But a moment's thought made me realise that this thread was in existence last Christmas and seeing as we went down to Coltishall then as well - I'd probably just be repeating myself......(again)

In other news I have been trying to emulate Bill's (Navy Bird) skill at sticking protuberances onto 1/72 kits.

Both there 3 and 5 had small black aerial blades on the underneath of the rear fuselage. Don't know what bit of avionics they were for. Easily formed from 1mm x 0.25mm strip. I scribed a suitable recess into the underside to give a positive location for the cyano (hint: it's the white scratch!):

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Which worked fine on both the 3 and the 5:

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Each jet has two yellow blade type (UHF?) aerials; one on the top one on the bottom. I had enough PE blades on the CMR frets for both JPs. I painted 'em on the frets and thankfully the attachment point was long enough to provide a lug for fixing:

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I followed Navy Bird's method of drilling a small location hole in the fuselage:

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And then putting a drop of cyano on the lug and popping it into the location hole:

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Worked a treat for all the aerials.

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Although I must admit that for peace of mind purposes - once the cyano had set hard - I popped a tiny drop of Krystal Klear either side of the bottom of the aerials at the fuselage junction - just to be safe.....

Lastly for now I did the tail lights. Used the same method as on the chippie build. Drilled a hole and stuck in a length of stretched clear sprue (this is the JP5 tail):

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And then cut the sprue to length and gently rounded it with a fine sanding stick.

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I have a few more aerials to do (how could as simple a jet as a JP have so many bloomin aerials!!!!) I have to sort out the JP3 tip tank lights - and then I have to do the JP5 MDC and stick the canopies on. I think that's about all that's left :)

They're now at the stage where I have to be really careful handling 'em cos of the various protuberances......

Shall have to think more seriously about the Hawks soon. The Hawk is a somewhat more popular aircraft than the Chipmunk/Jet Provost and there have been many excellent Hawk builds on the forums so I rather doubt that I'll be adding anything to the collective wisdom with my builds. Indeed I think my first task'll be to research what's gone before.........

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Shall have to think more seriously about the Hawks soon. The Hawk is a somewhat more popular aircraft than the Chipmunk/Jet Provost and there have been many excellent Hawk builds on the forums so I rather doubt that I'll be adding anything to the collective wisdom with my builds. Indeed I think my first task'll be to research what's gone before.........

Au contraire, I think you'd be adding an awful lot! There have indeed been many fine Hawks on here, but I struggle to think of many (any?) in the one true scale. And if there were I doubt many would have been built to your level of fanaticism... er, perfectionism!! And I really don't think any would have many entertaining 'war stories'!! :winkgrin:

Keith

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[QFI hat]What do you mean you don't know what the aerials are Fritag? Your lack of knowledge shows you to be gash! You have an attitude problem young man![/QFI hat]

The number of times I heard similar crap from my QFIs :rolleyes:

Seriously though, nice work.

On the 5A, the first aerial on the underside (the long one) was the Marker aerial. The other 2 were the UHF upper and lower aerials. The one on the nose was ILS G/S.

The VOR/ILS Localiser aerials were whip types either side of the fin. DME was a blade type under the nose abeam the intakes, sby UHF was a thin pole type on the port side of the lower nose, Transponder aerials were 'shark-tooth' types half way along both the upper and lower fuselage. Some aircraft (the scarey ones for Studes because the V/UHF [PTR1751] set had to be manually dialled) had a VHF aerial under the stbd side of the nose (abeam the sby UHF aerial).

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On the 5A, the first aerial on the underside (the long one) was the Marker aerial. The other 2 were the UHF upper and lower aerials. The one on the nose was ILS G/S.

The VOR/ILS Localiser aerials were whip types either side of the fin. DME was a blade type under the nose abeam the intakes, sby UHF was a thin pole type on the port side of the lower nose, Transponder aerials were 'shark-tooth' types half way along both the upper and lower fuselage. Some aircraft (the scarey ones for Studes because the V/UHF [PTR1751] set had to be manually dialled) had a VHF aerial under the stbd side of the nose (abeam the sby UHF aerial).

See now.....that is an unreasonably large number of aerials.

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See now.....that is an unreasonably large number of aerials.

Bet you never talked to anybody when you were out & about doing your fast mover stuff anyway....& who needs all those nav aids when you have a map & stopwatch!! :winkgrin:

K

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For a moment there I thought you'd finally seen the light and started fitting an arrestor hook...

(Mind you, not sure I'd want to try to stick a JP on a carrier; from my very limited experience of the aircraft I don't recall the acceleration being too startling).

I ran out of superlatives long ago, but you know we all think they are both superb!

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Bet you never talked to anybody when you were out & about doing your fast mover stuff anyway....& who needs all those nav aids when you have a map & stopwatch!! :winkgrin:

K

Ah now. I barely had the mental capacity to speak, let alone converse with anybody, when I was a stude doing doing low level nav in a JP at 240kts with only a map and a stopwatch. Thankfully one had the joy of an inertial navigation system when doing it at 450kts in a Jag.

I'm kinda dreading these ending unless the Hawk gets started straight away Steve!

Oh I dunno Neil; I may put my feet up and watch a certain four engine converion get built :)

I belatedly realised that the JPs also needed their pitot tubes. Can't get boll*cked by one of Debs' QFIs unless you can see what speed your failing to fly at can you?

Raw materials. I used 0.5mm rod for the tubes as I don't have any syringe needles or metal tubing small enough. It meant I had a bit of a tricky job drilling a little hole in the end if each tube :)

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JP3's pitot tube is wing mounted:

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And painted up in alclad aluminium and light grey:

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And fitted:

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Whilst the JP5's goes under the nose:

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And painted with alclad aluminium and fitted:

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Glad I remembered them. Back at work now tho' - and they took up all of today's modelling time.....

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Ah now. I barely had the mental capacity to speak, let alone converse with anybody, when I was a stude doing doing low level nav in a JP at 240kts with only a map and a stopwatch.

I was much the same at twice the height & half the speed in a Bulldog...!!

Lovely little pitots Steve - it's all these tiny gubbins that are making such a difference to the JP's. Well, that is in addition to the brilliant cockpit details, the all round neat building style, the super tidy paintwork, the subtle weathering....Hmm, I guess it's really that everything is just so good!

Don't you dare even contemplate not giving us at least a couple of Hawks to the same standard...!!

K

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