neron-fx Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Hi Guys, I'm just learning how to do a pin wash for my panel lines. In the tutorial I have read it says you need to clear coat before pin washing, please can someone knowledgeable just confirm that this is the case? If so, what would people recommend as a clear coat for my TIE Fighter. Ideally I am looking for something that is easy to apply through my airbrush and that a newbie like me can't mess up. I should also mention that I would prefer to use an oil pin wash rather than enamel Many thanks in advance, Rob Edited July 29, 2013 by neron-fx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hi, looking great so far. As for clear coats everyone has their favourite, personally I like to use Alclad Aquagloss, it's prethinned and dries to touch in about 30 mins and can be recoated in 6 hours. The gloss coat allows the pin wash to run better plus if you make a mistake it can be cleaned up without damaging the base coat. Hope that helps. Cheers, Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Thanks for the info Warren, At least I know I should gloss coat it before I attempt any sort of pin wash on it. I was struggling to find a definitive answer. Thanks for the heads up on Alclad Aquagloss, I shall look into it. Also should any dry brushing be done before I gloss coat it, or can it be done afterwards (before I apply the clear flat coat)? Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Rob, I would gloss coat, pin wash, matt coat, dry brush then final matt coat. The matt coat before the dry brush will give a rougher surface for the paint to stick to, the final matt coat will seal it. That's my take on it, others may advise differently. Cheers, Warren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Rob, I would gloss coat, pin wash, matt coat, dry brush then final matt coat. The matt coat before the dry brush will give a rougher surface for the paint to stick to, the final matt coat will seal it. That's my take on it, others may advise differently. Cheers, Warren Cheers Warren, That's very helpful indeed. Better get some gloss and clear paints on order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) @warren, In terms of flat clear paints, what would you recommend? Would this stuff be suitable? http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/tamiya-acrylics-10ml-xf-86-flat-clear/ As a heads up all paints used so far have been Tamiya with mig oils for discolouration. Also is this the same stuff you suggested for the gloss coat? http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/alclad-ii-aqua-gloss-120ml/ Cheers, Rob Edited July 31, 2013 by neron-fx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Hi Rob Yes that is the Alclad gloss I use. As for Matt coat I prefer to use Vallejo Matt which I get from Paul at Little-Cars. http://www.little-cars.co.uk/ He also does the Alclad too. Cheers, Warren 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Hi Rob Yes that is the Alclad gloss I use. As for Matt coat I prefer to use Vallejo Matt which I get from Paul at Little-Cars. http://www.little-cars.co.uk/ He also does the Alclad too. Cheers, Warren Cheers Warren, I'm on it like Gromit. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 Ok @warren, So I am awaiting delivery on some of this: http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/vallejo-liquid-varnish-matt-500ml/ and some of this: http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/alclad-ii-aqua-gloss-120ml/ Let me know if I got either of these wrong and I will send back. Looking forward to be able to crack on again and get some more pictures up here for review. Thanks for the tips and advice Warren. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Hi warren. In terms of cleaning my airbrush after running the above stuff through it, will my usual thinner/water thorough clean be enough or will I need specialist cleaner for these paints? Cheers. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Hi Rob, Both should be okay with your usual regime, I use Valejo airbrush cleaner for both. The thing to remember with the aqua gloss is to clean it straight after using as once it's dry it's difficult to clean out of your airbrush, I speak from experience!! Looking forward to seeing your progress on this. I might have to get another of these myself having sold my last one after finishing it, wish I had took some photos though. Cheers, Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share Posted August 11, 2013 Thanks a lot Warren. I always clean the airbrush immediately after use anyway so this won't be a problem. thanks for your help. I will get some more pics up next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jargonking Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Talking of cleaning airbrushes...if you need to do a more thorough strip down clean then try using an ultrasonic jewelery cleaner. I picked mine up for about £16 in Aldi a couple of years back...they get them in at least once a year...you simply place your airbrush bits in the bath, switch it on and it does the rest for you.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 Talking of cleaning airbrushes...if you need to do a more thorough strip down clean then try using an ultrasonic jewelery cleaner. I picked mine up for about £16 in Aldi a couple of years back...they get them in at least once a year...you simply place your airbrush bits in the bath, switch it on and it does the rest for you.... Thanks for the tip Iain! I always dismantle the brush entirely after every use and give it a full clean, but an airbrush bath sounds really useful, I have an Aldi locally so will have a look next time I'm in there. Just need to remember to remove the rubber seals as presumably those sorts of chemicals will ruin the integrity of the seals? Cheers, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 12, 2013 Author Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Hi all, I finished painting the wings tonight. I might need to do a little more discolouration as well as some dry brushing on the grey parts of the wings but I'm pretty happy with how it's starting to look. Clear gloss coat to go on the main fuselage next ready for pin wash. As always guys, tips and advice is always welcome. Wings painted Cheers, Rob Edited August 12, 2013 by neron-fx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Looking good Rob, remember these were fairly clean ships. I have a SW reference book 'Sculpting a Galaxy' which says the TIE fighters were build in large numbers and didn't last long to get dirty. It's a great reference book of most of the SW vehicles, creatures and worlds. Tried to find another of these on eBay, the price differences are astounding, one at £5 (+£10 P&P) to £85 (+£8 P&P), crazy! Cheers, Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 Cheers Warren, Yeah I'm going to keep it pretty clean. The same as I did with the main fuselage, I will just be doing some very gentle discolouration just to take off the super clean finish of the medium grey as it just looks a little to new for my liking. Yeah they do vary in cost, I got mine off eBay for £9 + £4 P&P so was quite lucky, the prices do vary greatly. Will post some more pics up once the gloss coat is on and ready for the pin wash. As always, thanks for your thoughts and feedback Warren. Cheers. Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hey @warren, with the gloss you said it was already pre thinned. Will I need to thin it down further to run it through my airbrush? Or do I just stick it in and away I go? Cheers. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Hi Rob, I run it straight through no further thinning, thin mist coats are best and several of them. Good luck my young apprentice! Cheers, Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Haha! Cheers Warren. pics to follow soon. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Well guys, guess what just turned up at my house from the wonderful folk over in Japan?!! Only the Fine Molds 1/72 Millenium Falcon!! Got it off eBay for a bargain £180 new in box from a seller with 100% positive feedback and over 500 sales. To top off the huge grin on my face, parcel force only charged me £25 to import it! Result!! Will pop up some pics next week as I'm now busy for the rest of the weekend with the TIE Fighter. Cheers. Rob Edited August 17, 2013 by neron-fx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jargonking Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 By coincidence I just received the Acreation etched set for the FM Falcon yesterday....well worth a look.... http://www.culttvmanshop.com/Light-Freighter-172-Detail-set-from-Acreation-Models_p_1120.html ...although it's currently showing as out of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 18, 2013 Author Share Posted August 18, 2013 Cheers Iain, I'll take a look. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neron-fx Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 Hi guys, So I finally got some more time to dedicate to the TIE Fighter. I managed to do my first ever gloss coat and then my first ever attempt at a pin wash. Pretty happy with the results. It's quite subtle but I was going for subtle and just wanted to make the details "pop" a bit. Next step is a clear matte coat and some dry brushing before finishing up the assembly. I also think the subtle discolouration was definitely a good move and has taken off the "super-clean" finish of the medium grey and adds some variation to the finish. Pin wash complete! Pin wash complete! Pin wash complete! As always guys and gals, feedback, tips and thoughts are very much appreciated. I still have a hell of a lot to learn! Cheers Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmonk Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 How's the TIE coming along Rob. Cheers, Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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