Blacktjet Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) Just made a start on this kit, I did intend to build one for the group build but I ran out of time! The kit looks very nice and looks like it will be a lot less work than the C-17! The main problem with this kit is that despite what it says on the box, it's not a K.2! It is a mix of K.2 and C.1K. Although this kit will be built as a C.1K (XR808), I will point out along the way, the alterations needed for each version and the corrections needed for both. It never ceases to amaze me how Anigrand managed to cram such large aircraft kits into relatively tiny boxes! The kit appears to be based on the A A P Lloyd drawings and matches them very closely...... ..until you get to the nose and cockpit section! The resin is quite thick and very well moulded with only a couple of small air bubbles to fill on my example. There are large locating lugs that will aid positioning and strengthen the joints. The following is a correction needed for both versions. I made a start on the cockpit, it's not too difficult to correct, the outline looks accurate and only requiring a couple of cuts and a small amount of filling and filing. The section above the cut line was removed and raised to match the plans. The cockpit interior acted as a support for the upper section and aided the filling of the resulting gap in the nose section. With the upper nose section raised, the cockpit windows are now at the correct height but the line is wrong. To get the window line right and the roof outline correct, I removed the shaded areas The result is a much better outline and cockpit window position. The fuselage has been positioned off the drawing to compare with the outline. With the exception of extra detail work, as it stands, the fuselage is now correct for a K.2 More to follow tomorrow! Edited September 15, 2013 by Blacktjet 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev67 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I have this kit, looks to be very well moulded, comparing it to the Airways vac kit it looks about the same in outline, although I have not noticed about the front, are you using 1/72 plans or have they been resized as I have 1/144 scale plans and I think 1/96 scale one Also what are you going to do about the windows as the C1 as more windows, are you going to fill them and use decals or cut the windows out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 I have this kit, looks to be very well moulded, comparing it to the Airways vac kit it looks about the same in outline, although I have not noticed about the front, are you using 1/72 plans or have they been resized as I have 1/144 scale plans and I think 1/96 scale one Also what are you going to do about the windows as the C1 as more windows, are you going to fill them and use decals or cut the windows out The plans are 1/72, enlarged (135%) from the 1/96 scale A A P Lloyd drawings. I will cut out the extra windows, using an etched brass template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody37 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I think there will be plenty of popcorn consumed during this build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev67 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Looking forward to it, are you using your own template or Lionroar type template 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 This looks very interesting. An expensive kit but only £10 odd more than the Magna kit? I'm quite amazed that the nose fix was so simple, I think I will be watching this build! Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Looking forward to it, are you using your own template or Lionroar type template I will be having a go at making my own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 One of my all time favourite aircraft, also having worked on them for 5 years! Will follow this with GREAT interest, as I'm very tempted to get this one day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOCKNEY Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Hats off for the solution to the nose and cockpit area. The finished result is excellent, I'm blooming sure many of us myself included would not have come up with such an elegant solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mekon Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Great work with the cockpit, the kit looks to be a really nice effort by Anigrand. Looking forward to see how this turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 That's a great solution to the front end. The nose always looked a bit pointy to me but you have got it spot on! Looking forward to the build Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Move over, theres a crowd forming here to take a look! You've hugely improved the look of the nose with a brilliant solution. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Thanks for all the positive comments. The cockpit section is still not 100% correct but it's no worse than what you can find on some mainstream injection moulded kits! I have done a little more work on the cockpit section tonight, the windows need to be a little larger in height, the eyebrow windows are too small and the centre windshield is too wide. Unfortunately, due to a two hour phone call, there will be no photo updates until tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 With this and Tom's Airways vac form build it's a great month for us VC10 fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrobeson Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Great work on the correction at the nose. Makes it look much better. Looking at the parts overlaid on the plans though, it seems like the rear stabilizers might need a bit sanded off the front curve to match the plans? The curve seems a bit too sharp. Looks great so far Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Great work on the correction at the nose. Makes it look much better. Looking at the parts overlaid on the plans though, it seems like the rear stabilizers might need a bit sanded off the front curve to match the plans? The curve seems a bit too sharp. Looks great so far Matt Edited June 14, 2013 by Blacktjet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share Posted June 14, 2013 Great work on the correction at the nose. Makes it look much better. Looking at the parts overlaid on the plans though, it seems like the rear stabilizers might need a bit sanded off the front curve to match the plans? The curve seems a bit too sharp. Looks great so far Matt Compared to the plan, the cord is just short by a millimeter or so, an extension to the leading edge would correct the outline but I'm not going to bother as it is only noticeable when placed against the plan. However, there are other issues with the tailplane that does need correcting. I'll point these out later, along with the corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrobeson Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Thanks. I will sit and wait and see what you can do with it. It looks like it provides a pretty good base, while still giving you some stuff to make right. Looks great so far though. Your progress is looking good. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted June 14, 2013 Author Share Posted June 14, 2013 A little more work on the VC-10... I have refined the cockpit section as much as is possible with the kit parts, the clear part was filed down to remove the window frames, this will allow the windows to be made a little taller and the eyebrow windows a little larger. The shape of nose, just under the three forward window sections was also improved. The canopy can now be removed and polished and work on the cockpit started. I've also started work on the tail plane, this area needs quite a bit of work to correct. First of all, the bullet is square in cross section but should be more rounded at the front and rear, and flat in the middle. The aerofoil section of the stabs is too flat, this creates a problem at the middle section of the bullet. At maximum thickness, the stabs should blend into the bullet, giving the top a 'coke bottle' shape. To make the tail plane 100% correct, the cross section of the stabs should be built up and blended into the bullet but I have done a cheat by just slimming down the middle section of the bullet to create the blended effect. The picture below, shows one side corrected, compared to the incorrect shape. The stab will be blended in with filler and the front built up in plan view. I'll try and get this finished tomorrow and post a picture of the corrected tail plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Inspirational work as always. Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacificmustang Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 great stuff Blackjet, after seeing the work you carried out on the C17, looking forward to this Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Any more progress on this one to report? Are you going to be using the kit decals or do you have something else in mind? CheersSimon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcanicity Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 This is great work, would be good to see some more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 Any more progress on this one to report? Are you going to be using the kit decals or do you have something else in mind? Cheers Simon I'll post more progress tomorrow - tailplane finished, engines modified, windows drilled and majority of the airframe assembled and primed. I will be printing my own decals for XR808 in the 95th anniversary/50 years of VC-10 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacktjet Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) More work on the VC-10 tailplane. I have already posted a comparison picture of the top, this is the modification to the underneath. Note that it is not the same as the top - there is no 'coke bottle' shape as per the top. The fixed section of the bullet is square in cross section (with radii to the corners), the moving portion is circular. There is a small section of the fixed part of the bullet, just in front of the moving part, that blends the circular section into the square section. The finished underside view. I also cut a notch for the fin to fit into. Top view On to the cabin windows. I abandoned the idea of using a template as the kit windows are the wrong shape anyway, I marked out the missing windows ( 7 mm to centres ), drilled a small pilot hole, then drilled out with a drill the size of the kits windows - these can the be filed out to an oval shape. The kit windows have flat sides and therefore, have to be filled oval also - this makes the too large but I have an idea for reducing the size and I'll show the method later. Next, the engines. The forward section of the fan (stators?) are fixed to the intake part and are in the wrong place. These are easy to remove with a sharp blade if you are careful - I only broke one blade! BTW, the stators (if that's what they are) and the fans are short of a few vanes - should be 17 on the stators and 19 on the fan. The lip of the intake it too sharp and needs to be rounded off. They are a also a bit long, so there is plenty of material to work with Engine pylons These require correction in two stages. I'll start with the simple stage because this applies to both the C.1 and K.2 , the kit pylon is angled from front to rear which is incorrect - the rear should be horizontal. I corrected this by cutting a grove into the joint between the pylon and the engine, then after applying some heat, the pylon was bent to the correct shape. (If you are modelling the K.2, you will have to alter the slot in the fuselage) The gap was filled to keep the new shape. Before and after The second stage deals with the 3 deg. incline on the engines and the pylon extension on the super and C.1. I will post. this modification tomorrow. Edited July 8, 2013 by Blacktjet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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