Duggie Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I know this is very late for your discsion on placement of codes ect but I think I may be able to give some information that may help. WS-Y was used in many books after it was originally used as the centre spread in a magazine called Profile which was published around late 60's t0 early 70's. They were published every so often and when into detail about one type and model od aircraft.The main reason that I know this is that WS-Y (LM220) was my fathers aircraft in which he completed over a full tour including all Tirpitz raids, this was all brought back to memory as we are applying for his Bomber Command Clasp and Artic Star. Hope this has being useful, by the way I remember that there is a side view at least in Mike Garbets book The Lancaster Vol 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 A propos nothing at all, years ago we had an ex-617 armourer come into the model shop where I worked, and he related a little story, when he was loading a Grand Slam, and it dropped to the floor. Everyone dived for cover, waited the requisite time (plus a bit,) then emerged, to find they'd dived behind a row of 500-pounders; the bomb was returned to the bomb dump, then he was told to disarm it. As he stuffed the pistols into the sand pit, they went off. Edgar I very much doubt this, Bomb pistols don't contain any explosives! They simply are a mechanical device that activates a firing pin that impacts a seperately installed detonator. Now If they were Bomb Fuzes...........................................! Selwyn (sorry to be pedantic!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Sorry about that, but it was the word he used, and, since I've never seen him in the 20 years since (he might even be dead,) I doubt that I'll be able to correct him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyot Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 I know this is very late for your discsion on placement of codes ect but I think I may be able to give some information that may help. WS-Y was used in many books after it was originally used as the centre spread in a magazine called Profile which was published around late 60's t0 early 70's. They were published every so often and when into detail about one type and model od aircraft.The main reason that I know this is that WS-Y (LM220) was my fathers aircraft in which he completed over a full tour including all Tirpitz raids, this was all brought back to memory as we are applying for his Bomber Command Clasp and Artic Star. Hope this has being useful, by the way I remember that there is a side view at least in Mike Garbets book The Lancaster Vol 1 Sorry Duggie, I thought that this thread had died off and didn`t notice your post. Bomber Command Star and Arctic Star,....gosh your Father certainly got around and it is about time that HM Government got around to adding a few more `jangly bits' to his chest. Thanks for the info, I`ve not got the magazine or book which you mention but I have finally found a photo in a book which was taken straight after WS-J landed from the Tirpitz raid and as it had exposed exhausts like I thought it might, and hoped it might, I`ve gone with that option and I`ll be painting it soon. I`ll PM you though, Cheers, Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM220 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hi I’m a very late to this thread but I’ve posted my comments on WS-Y below which mostly backs up what others have said. Likewise I have not been able to find photographic evidence to confirm the art work in the 1960’s Profile booklet and have only seen the aforementioned photo’s on the internet and in ‘Lancaster at War 2’. However I recently discovered a web page concerning Douglas Tweddle DFC which can be found here http://www.planetdiecast.com/index.php?&option=com_content&view=article&id=88814&catid=13 It mentions a book ‘Jump or Die’ by Douglas Jennings, who was the bomb aimer on WS-Y in the latter part of the war. I bought the book and discovered that it contained two reasonably clear (but not perfect) photos of WS-Y nose art and bomb tally at 62 op’s. I would imagine these were the photo references used for the old Frog Lancaster which depicted WS-Y in April 1945. I’m not sure if I can post the pictures here due to copyright restrictions but the book is fairly cheap and can still be purchased from a well known highstreet book store. I built the Frog Lanc as WS-Y a few years back and it is my mission to build the new Airfix Lanc as WS-Y at 62 op’s using the Freightdog Tallboy conversion. Maybe an obliging decal producer could release a set of decals for Tallboy Lancs including WS-Y as seen at the end of the war. I still have the Frog artwork for reference…………. Avro Lancaster LM220 WS-Y 9 Squadron Operation Obviate and Catchism (LM220 WS-Y was having an overhaul and did not take part in Operation Paravane) Details of LM220 WS-Y at that time:- Z Equipment rings on bomb aimer blister (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2) Oval shaped bomb aimer downward vision panel (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2) Early type pitot head (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2 & internet photo but this may have changed during the overhaul) Window dispersal chute in normal location (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2 & internet photo) No blister on pilots side cockpit (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2 & internet photo) Fuselage slit type windows deleted including one forward of wireless op window (ref: Lancaster at War pt 2) Paddle blade props (ref: internet photo) Front turret guns deleted (Channel 4 Secret History documentry ‘The Dambusters Great Escape’) Exhaust shrouds removed (assumed, based on photos of other 9 & 617 sqn Tirpitz Lancs) Squadron codes outlined in yellow and also applied above and below tailplane. No evidence to suggest aircraft letter applied to fin for Paravane op Lancs (assumed, based on photos of other 9 sqn Paravane Lancs) Mid upper turret removed (well documented and confirmed in several photos of the op), MU taboo area painted in light colour (assume red lead), hole filled and painted in darker colour (assume dark green) (speculation based on photo of WS-O which crashed in Russia and photos taken later in the war of the first Grand Slam Lancs. However other Tirpitz Lancs seem to have mid upper area blended in paint wise) Hope this helps. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastmcc Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 just watched the secret history that was on channel 4 sunday the missions on tirpitz got me interested ... does anyone do a lancaster conversion for the tallboy in 1/72..t thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman2 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Freightdog Models had a 1/72 Tall Boy set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The wooksta V2.0 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hasegawa did it as a complete kit - an alternate to their main boxing. 'Tirpitz Raid' is the boxing you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastmcc Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Hasegawa did it as a complete kit - an alternate to their main boxing. 'Tirpitz Raid' is the boxing you're looking for. cool thanks mate.. thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastmcc Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 is there any other books than these about the tirpitz raids .. Patrick Bishop 'Target Tirpitz Alan Cooper's "Beyond the Dams to the Tirpitz" thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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