Vesa Jussila Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Hi, Here is one photo from Finland's SA-archive. There are many stories about IL-2's shooting rockets backwards. According the original text here is rail of rocket. I haven't seen any pictures before. -Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Interesting - thanks, Vesa! I will admit that I did a quick mental check to make sure today is not April 1, though! I saved the image; what's the URL for the SA-archive site, please? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 It looks like an Il-2 tail and rear fuselage, but it's rather strange. The fuselage looks to be metal, but there's an external rib running down the starboard side; you normally only saw that on some wooden-fuselage Il-2's. The rib may have been for additional strengthening for firing the rocket. Very unusual - thank you for posting. It's not often I get to say with the Il-2 that I haven't seen this before, but I haven't seen this before. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Link to archive is: http://sa-kuva.fi/ -Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Link to archive is: http://sa-kuva.fi/ -Vesa Thank you for the link, Vesa! Since the search terms are in Finnish, do you happen to know what the Finnish term was for the Il-2 Shturmovik? Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Jason try words Il-2 and maatalouskone (=agricultural machinery), SA-kuva is using those terms that photographers were using during war time. So there might be mistakes and not correct names. For that reason finding pictures can be challenging for native speaker as well. Here is another picture from same day, maybe same plane. Photo: SA-kuva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Jason try words Il-2 and maatalouskone (=agricultural machinery), SA-kuva is using those terms that photographers were using during war time. So there might be mistakes and not correct names. For that reason finding pictures can be challenging for native speaker as well. Here is another picture from same day, maybe same plane. Photo: SA-kuva Now I understand - that's an Il-4, not an Il-2! No wonder it looked unusual! The Il-4 had a metal fuselage with the external stiffeners, unlike the Il-2, where these external stiffeners only appeared on wooden-fuselaged examples. Vesa, thank you for the advice on the Finnish term for the Il-2 - I'll give it a try on the site. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Okay, I fell for it - what's the Finnish phrase for "April fool!"... Thanks for the link, Vesa! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Clearly my mistake, in fact original text is talking about bomber. My Finish is clearly getting rust. Still first time I see those rockets in any plane. And "April Fool is aprilli pila. If you looking IL-2 pictures try photo number 158366 Br. Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kari Lumppio Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) Hello! Yes that is an Il-4 from an ADD regiment. An ADD division was subodinated to Soviet 13 VA (Air Army) for the Vyborg operation. The bomber was shot down over Hovinmaa 21st June, 1944. There was two Il-4 claims by fighters and at least one from AAA. The real cause will be probably never solved. The same day an Il-2 crash landed on other location of the same fields at Hovinmaa and that one was shot down by Kyösti Karhila, a Finnish fighter ace. I checked these photos already several years ago at the photo archive and wondered then if the Il-4 is with single tone uppersides. Or even one overall colour. The old archive dia positives were not good quality. These new scans seem to support the single upper colour idea. Could it be gray (AMT-11/A-33 ?). Unfortunately when these photos were taken (probably late August, 1944) the engines were already recovered. It would have been nice to know if this particular Il-4 was of those very late ones which are reported to have different exhaust and cooling systems. IIRC such talk can be found at the scalemodels.ru -forum where they discuss about the swept wing Il-4s. Cheers, Kari Edited May 21, 2013 by Kari Lumppio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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