Speed GB

[Bengalensis]

So how about the fastest hunk a junk in the galaxy, then?.

That was one, probably The one, I was hoping to see from Sci-Fi, as it's well known it is the fastest with a well documented record of Speed. With a Class 0.5 hyperdrive prepared by Jessa it can't possibly be argued against, can it?

[Bengalensis]

I just looked for a generic horse rider model picture to float the concept and found him. That wouldn't necessarily be a model I would enter; a racer or dispatch rider would definitely better exemplify speed. I was more exploring the boundaries of the concept than proposing that particular guy

So we could have

And many others, whatever best exemplifies speed to the modeller concerned, perhaps with the added bonus of being a challenge they wouldn't otherwise attempt.

Jessica, that is very much spot on, that series of pics is very much what I'm thinking about when I thought about opening the limitations a bit. A great selection of Speed from all genres.

As one who knows cars especially well I have said that the F1 is not my personal preference of a speed machine, but don't get me wrong, in a more open format it is well qualified.

[AnonymousDFB1]

I don't like to throttle any ideas for GB's but I fear I must 'steer' this idea. The looser option has the problem that it might impinge on other GB's. So I feel that you all should be looking at the more 'tighter' option of machines that was build to be fast, to take a record rather like Jörgen suggests.

Also remember that for this to suggestion to be a GB it will have to be one of the six that will be voted for near the end of the year.

[Dazzio]

So how about the fastest hunk a junk in the galaxy, then?.

That was one, probably The one, I was hoping to see from Sci-Fi, as it's well known it is the fastest with a well documented record of Speed. With a Class 0.5 hyperdrive prepared by Jessa it can't possibly be argued against, can it?

I can't really say you could count the Flying Dustbin Lid... even tho it did do the "Kessel Run" in "less than twelve parsecs"... hang on... a parsec is a unit of distance isn't it? Still, I would love to see it in a race with an X-wing.

Sticking up for Jessicas horse idea, would Red Rum count? He (or was it a she? I only know of the name) won a lot of races, and race horses are technically "made"... okay bred to win. But it wouldn't be my idea, I hate horse racing. I suppose if the theme was "speed" I could theoretically make a diaorama of me running to the toilet after a very bad curry... thats fast on two counts. I'll let you figure out what two

I suppose if it's kept to "man-made", "piloted" and how about "held a record" and/or "won a race or series of races"? That should keep it interesting and broad enough keep everyones attention.

Anyhow, this has my vote and I need to think of something to put in this GB

Kind Regards

Dazz

[D1fuN0]

I don't like to throttle any ideas for GB's but I fear I must 'steer' this idea. The looser option has the problem that it might impinge on other GB's. So I feel that you all should be looking at the more 'tighter' option of machines that was build to be fast, to take a record rather like Jörgen suggests.

Also remember that for this to suggestion to be a GB it will have to be one of the six that will be voted for near the end of the year.

All hail the might Mish for she has spoken the words... ........

I actually think that both Mish and Jorgen are right.

If you open up a GB to just Speed, then you might just possibly impinge on other GB's, and, really the whole point of a GB is to get people building a subject, maybe even doing something out of there comfort zone.

Jorgen, (just thinking out loud), I think your idea of the tighter format is a better idea, but I would drop the third option (fastest in this event/race/happening).

As your original provisio was Speed, it might be a nice idea just to concentrate on Speed Record Breakers. This would encompass world land,sea and air speed record holders (keeping the floatythings and wingythings chaps and chapesses interested), Bonneville salt flat runners, dragsters (cars and bikes) but I think the point that will make this interesting is that, in the last 100 odd years of vehicles and flight, it encompasses a huge amount of subjects.

The early land speed record attempts, the flat out runners at bonneville, the fastest dragster in the world, each, in there specific year, held the record for the 'fastest', or, held the land speed record.

Yes, this may limit what can be entered, you cant just plonk down a Bugatti Veyron and say, Worlds fastest production car, or a Space Shuttle and say Worlds Fastest 'aircraft' (only used as example, dont quote me), but you could enter the Bonneville Plymouth Superbird which held the absolute speed record for a while etc etc...

That, in fact, is probably what I'd enter for the proposed GB.

Just a thought, use it, dont use it...

And hey, I like the idea you have so much, ill even help you run it (if its voted in)...

Steve

[Bengalensis]

Right then, let's sober up and get back to the hard core of Speed in the tighter format. It was nice exploring the possibility of widening the Speed idea, and I quite like what it could bring, but I go back to proposing my initial idea. This may not be the final wording of the rules as we can discuss and adjust, but along this idea:

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A Speed Record GB open for models of manned powered vehicles on land, sea and air from all times:

• Having at some point in time held a speed record
• Having been built to try to break a speed record

Speed is here measured in speed terms like Km/h, Mph, Knots, Mach etc.

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I changed to "Speed Record GB". Maybe I should change the topic header?

I will drop my third criteria "Having been the fastest in this event/race/happening". What I meant it to include is IMO actually included in "Having at some point in time held a speed record". One (of many) examples of this is the W.R. Peugeot at 24 h Le Mans -88, which was not a speed record car, but in the middle of the race the team switched focus, taped up all air intakes and made a final dash for the highest speed ever recorded at the Le Mans track reaching 404 km/h down the long straight which was enough (and actually still stands). Another example may be a Schneider trophy racer that set the highest speed of that years/days race, and things like that. A documented speed record, even if short lived.

While this is a much more narrow concept for a GB, it is more defining mankinds search for, and thrill of outright speed. It will still allow for a great variety of subjects of planes, cars, boats, trains and what not. Will it attract enough interest? I don't know, but I think and hope it can.

Your thoughts and ideas of this are most welcome.

[Giorgio N]

Do the records have to be officially recognised records (for example by the FAI for aircrafts) ? Or would unofficial records be allowed ? For example the Lockheed A12 never held any official record (as it didn't even officially exist) but it routinely operated faster than the types that held the speed record at the time, so it would have unofficially been the fastest aircraft at that time even if it did not hold an official record.

And for aircrafts again, should the model be of the actual aircraft that got the record or would any aircraft of the type be eligible too ?

[Smiffy]

So no Millennium Falcon then?.

Booooooo.

I can't really say you could count the Flying Dustbin Lid... even tho it did do the "Kessel Run" in "less than twelve parsecs"... hang on... a parsec is a unit of distance isn't it? Still, I would love to see it in a race with an X-wing.

Oi, don't diss the Falcon. She can outrun Imperial starships, you know?. Not just the local bulk cruisers, either... we're talking the big Correlian ships. She's fast enough for your groupbuild, old man.

[Mike]

Maybe doing the Kessel run in 12 parsecs relates to the quality of her lightspeed performance, and her ability to cut the distance by accurate navigation? Or maybe parsecs meant something different a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Anyway

[Bengalensis]

Do the records have to be officially recognised records (for example by the FAI for aircrafts) ? Or would unofficial records be allowed ? For example the Lockheed A12 never held any official record (as it didn't even officially exist) but it routinely operated faster than the types that held the speed record at the time, so it would have unofficially been the fastest aircraft at that time even if it did not hold an official record.

And for aircrafts again, should the model be of the actual aircraft that got the record or would any aircraft of the type be eligible too ?

I think a speed record should be documented in some way, by some time keepers that made some notes other people could take part of, by other people witnessed or similar, but I think I would prefer not having to limit this to verified official speed record rules by only this or that organisation.

I also think the model shall be of the actual vehicle, or at least as close as well known references allow.

But if someone reaches speeds that may bee the highest, but then don't want to tell the rest of the world about it, by keeping the happening, the speed or even the whole speed machine a secret, denying the whole thing, is that really a speed record? I don't have a clear answer right now, but I'm certainly in a bit of a doubt.

To me a speed record is also about telling the rest of the world that you were the fastest in this type/size of vehicle and so on, not trying to keep what you have done a secret. Now if the rest of the world somehow found out about the secret and could verify that it happened, where, when, how, what speed and with what machine, then I suppose it could count.

Generally I would like to say yes rather than no, while trying to remain inside the format.

Again, this is for more people to have thoughts about.

[Bengalensis]

So no Millennium Falcon then?.

Booooooo.

I agree completely, it is Booooo, I would really like to see the Falcon in. But in a tighter speed record format I can't see how. I'm sorry.

[trickyrich]

ok have sniffed some resin and got a glass of Shiraz......

I sort of got the feeling of what is probably the idea of this build, but for simplicity it would have to be narrowed down to what was the fastest of its era or probably better, what is to be considered the peak/pinnacle of its era..

For aviation it’s sort of easy to find reference material;
40’s: early Me163 Komet, late Bell X1/F86A Sabre
50’s: early F-86D Sabre Dog, later the F-104 Starfighter/Mig21Fishbed
60’s: early F4 Phantom, late Sr-71 Black Bird/Mig25 Foxbat

For cars this is harder, is it the fastest of each era or the cars that were at the pinnacle of performance for their particular time.

For anything else it’s even harder, you will need hard and fast rules for this build.

Now completely off track.............

For spaceships.......the biggest guns and engines!!!!!

Millennium Falcon (really was a spaceship version of an Alfa!!)....Han Solo had “L” plates! USS Enterprise, “wrap factor 10 Mr Scotty”, please my granny went faster!

USS Sulaco and Space Battleship Yamato ...bada##!!

UD-4L Cheyenne-class Dropship (Aliens dropship), super bada##!!

Shado Interceptors..... ooo who didn’t like the pilots in those tight shiny silver suits and acrylic wigs!

Blakes Seven Liberator....sooooo cooool!

Don’t ask about Battlestar Galactica, still can’t look at Starbuck in the original series in the same way anymore!!!!

Serenity.....oh Kaylee.......

Let’s just have a “SUPER (please insert children friendly adjective here) or BADASS” Spaceship Group Build!!!!!

Ok, think it’s my bedtime now.........

[D1fuN0]

Maybe doing the Kessel run in 12 parsecs relates to the quality of her lightspeed performance, and her ability to cut the distance by accurate navigation? Or maybe parsecs meant something different a long time ago in a galaxy far away?

Anyway

ok, to quickly inform those unitiated savages out there (sorry Jorgen, 2 minute hijack)

The Kessel run was a one of the most heavily used smuggling routes in the empire and has generally been measured as an 18 parsec run (a parsec is a unit of distance) . Han solo managed to do the run under 12 parsecs (11.5 parsecs actually) but was not quoting the the ships speed, but actually was on about a short cut he used skirting the Maw Black Hole cluster, this making the run shorter than the standard distance by skirting the black holes.

The Smuggler Bo Shek actually beat Solo's record (without cargo), but Solo eventually beat both his, and Bo Seks record (reportedly 10,9 parsecs)

Who said Star Wars aint real...

[Dazzio]

Hhmm... something that held a record... I'm still insterested in this one. God knows what, when I think of records, usually I think of things in wartime that have broken records. P-51, Mossie, Me-262, Komet come to mind... For some reason I am reminded of an incident in the cold war where either a MiG-23/27 flew from Russia all the way to Germany without a pilot because the pilot had to eject for some reason, wonder if thats a record? It started with a pilot, just didn't finish with one

ok, to quickly inform those unitiated savages out there (sorry Jorgen, 2 minute hijack)
The Kessel run was a one of the most heavily used smuggling routes in the empire and has generally been measured as an 18 parsec run (a parsec is a unit of distance) . Han solo managed to do the run under 12 parsecs (11.5 parsecs actually) but was not quoting the the ships speed, but actually was on about a short cut he used skirting the Maw Black Hole cluster, this making the run shorter than the standard distance by skirting the black holes.
The Smuggler Bo Shek actually beat Solo's record (without cargo), but Solo eventually beat both his, and Bo Seks record (reportedly 10,9 parsecs)
Who said Star Wars aint real...

Thread Hijack again... sorry Jorgen and Mike

That is still only about distance tho, and admitted I can see the speed advantages in shortcuts (after all the quickest shortcut in space travel is a wormhole). I don't see how playing chicken with a blackhole is any quicker, as gravity is one of the few things that can effect time(or spacetime), so I am lead to believe... but lets leave this one to the Star Wars fans. Anyhow, I was completely messing around with parsec thing incase anyone was curious. Star Wars is real! According to the government my religion is "Jedi"

Kind Regards,

Dazz

[Bengalensis]

I am not talking any record, it's only about speed records.

[D1fuN0]

Well...

Thats it then...

I shall be entering my 1970 Plymouth Superbird which set the record at Bonneville the same year in the B Production Car category at 210.04 mph. Thats Standard boys and girls, with a 58 Hemi and 4 speed box, 210mph in 1970!

Also, in my quest for not being normal, I have uncovered the following possibilties too...

Tracked land speed record - 82km/h:CRV(T) Scorpion Tank (2002)

Lunar Land speed Record - 17km/h:Lunar Rover driven by Eugene Cernan (1972)

Steve

[AnonymousDFB1]

What's the count of interested members inc hosts?

[theplasticsurgeon]

I've got a Tamiya Bell X-1 to offer for counting.

Would be built as Chuck Yeager's Supersonic 'plane.

Edited November 11, 2013 by theplasticsurgeon