F-86F-30 to RAF Sabre Mk.4

[Jennings Heilig]

Look at bomber production during WWII. B-17s left the factory and went tot mod centers before delibery so hey could get the latest upgrades. It took sometimes a year or more for those mods to be incorporated on the line.

[HK1885]

Hi Everybody,

I'm building RAF Sabre using Academy's F-86 and this is intresting topic which brings a lot of very helpful information.

Unfortunately I'm totally layman in terms of RAF cold-war era so I have two questions regarding to Sabre Mk 4:

1. Wing type of XB829 D with 93 Sqn - '6-3' wing or slatted (delivered with slatted and then converted??)?

2. Camouflage colors - it seems that camouflage is DG/MSG/PRU-blue - WW2 colours or different ones should be used?

[Wez]

Hi Everybody,

I'm building RAF Sabre using Academy's F-86 and this is intresting topic which brings a lot of very helpful information.

Unfortunately I'm totally layman in terms of RAF cold-war era so I have two questions regarding to Sabre Mk 4:

1. Wing type of XB829 D with 93 Sqn - '6-3' wing or slatted (delivered with slatted and then converted??)?

2. Camouflage colors - it seems that camouflage is DG/MSG/PRU-blue - WW2 colours or different ones should be used?

According to the bible (Duncan Curtis' Sabre book mentioned earlier in this thread), none of 93Sqn's jets were converted to the '6-3' wing, therefore it would have the slatted wing - certainly the RAF Museum's Sabre which is painted in the 93Sqn markings it wore before being delivered to the Italians was originally a slatted wing aircraft only got its '6-3' wing after it left RAF service.

The colour scheme for this jet would have been Dark Green, Dark Sea Grey (not Medium Sea Grey) and PRU blue, whilst the DG and PRU Blue may be similar to the WWII shades, DSG had no WWII equivalent. WWII Ocean Grey is not the same as DSG.

In RAF Service the cockpits were black.

Wez

[HK1885]

Thanks a lot for quick and comprehensive information.

Fortunately I have two more options on my decal sheet: XB630 P with 71 Sqn and XB931 G with 4 Sqn what rather solves the issue with slatted wing.

Regarding to DSG I've already found Gunze equivalent - H331.

Once again - thanks.

regards

Gregg

[Wez]

XB630 was converted to have the '6-3' wing, XB931 was delivered with it. Incidentally, XB931 was written off after it's oxygen cylinders exploded and it was deemed not worth repairing.

Wez

[Giorgio N]

According to the bible (Duncan Curtis' Sabre book mentioned earlier in this thread), none of 93Sqn's jets were converted to the '6-3' wing, therefore it would have the slatted wing - certainly the RAF Museum's Sabre which is painted in the 93Sqn markings it wore before being delivered to the Italians was originally a slatted wing aircraft only got its '6-3' wing after it left RAF service.

The colour scheme for this jet would have been Dark Green, Dark Sea Grey (not Medium Sea Grey) and PRU blue, whilst the DG and PRU Blue may be similar to the WWII shades, DSG had no WWII equivalent. WWII Ocean Grey is not the same as DSG.

In RAF Service the cockpits were black.

Wez

the WWII equivalent of Dark Sea Grey was.. Dark Sea Grey.

This colour existed before the war and was used on the top surfaces of areas like lower wings on biplanes in FAA service

[Wez]

the WWII equivalent of Dark Sea Grey was.. Dark Sea Grey.

This colour existed before the war and was used on the top surfaces of areas like lower wings on biplanes in FAA service

Good point, well presented, I'd quite forgotten about that.

Wez