Orion Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Dear Wessex Specialists, My last question was in regards to the yellow rotor blade on the SAR Wessex. In reading the total result of my question (3 pages), I have come to the conclusion that BM is the best site for starting a serious discussion. I was amazed at the knowledge among the members. Thanks for the effort you all put in there. This knowledge I will use, if questioned by modelers who think they know it all! This time, I continue with the colors of the airframes in general. In particular the RED on the RN frames and the YELLOW on the RAF frames. To start with the rescue yellow, does Xtracolor RAF Rescue Yellow represent the right color yellow, or are we differing of opinions on this matter? Or even do we mix to get the right yellow result? Continuing to the Yellow and Red on the RN Wessex: The (Golden) Yellow on the HAS 1 and HAS 3 must be a mix of colors. It is a very warm Yellow to look at. Any suggestions to get the right color on this matter? The Red on the nose and middle fuselage, would Xtracolor Red Insignia compare, or is there something better on the market? Highest Regards, Dirk (Orion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 The Yellow used is is not a mix - it is BS 381c356 Golden Yellow. It is a Very "Warm" Yellow. Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat C Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Dirk Re the red, you may find this thread of interest. However, unfortunately it is not terribly conclusive and you are probably better going by a picture of your subject before deciding on day-glo / Signal (Red Arrows) Red/ Roundel (Post Office) Red. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234927757-wessex-hu5-771-sqn-rn-what-colour-red/?hl=wessex Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Dokker Blaze I think Grizzly mentioned previously. Humbrol 209 Gloss Fire Orange over a white base but then some here say pink Then I've just found on Model Decals sheet No,96 a Wessex HU5 from 771 NAS Culdrose where the instructions state red BS538. Where as sheet No.99 states Gloss Day-glo red/orange. My assumption was it was always day-glo. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Hello Selwyn, Thanks for your response. So for the RAF yellow I use the Xtracolor 'RAF Rescue Yellow." This implies that Navy yellow and RAF yellow on the airframes are the same color?. Hello Pat C and Heloman 1, Thanks for your response. The red nose and the choices between Postal Red/Signal Red and Day-Glo. Would you be so kind to explain the tin numbers from Xtra or Humbrol or..... With regards, Dirk (Orion) The netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Hello Selwyn, Thanks for your response. So for the RAF yellow I use the Xtracolor 'RAF Rescue Yellow." This implies that Navy yellow and RAF yellow on the airframes are the same color?. Hello Pat C and Heloman 1, Thanks for your response. The red nose and the choices between Postal Red/Signal Red and Day-Glo. Would you be so kind to explain the tin numbers from Xtra or Humbrol or..... With regards, Dirk (Orion) The netherlands Yes the rescue yellow is the correct colour. hannants incorrectly label it on their website as "BS 256" which is a typo, (numbers beginning with 2 are Greens in BS 381c!) Selwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod mcq Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Dokker Blaze I think Grizzly mentioned previously. Humbrol 209 Gloss Fire Orange over a white base but then some here say pink Then I've just found on Model Decals sheet No,96 a Wessex HU5 from 771 NAS Culdrose where the instructions state red BS538. Where as sheet No.99 states Gloss Day-glo red/orange. My assumption was it was always day-glo. Colin If you read the General Notes in Modeldecal sheet 99 Richard Ward explains that "Wessex used for SAR duties typically carried large dayglo orange-red areas fore and aft: in their later period of service, gloss signal red (BS 381C: 537) or roundel red (BS 381C:538) was used in some cases in place of the fluorescent dayglo colour." I photographed XS523/824/CU of 771 NAS at North Weald in 1985 in the later blue-grey and red scheme. Edited March 25, 2013 by rod mcq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heloman1 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Only colour I can help with is the Gloss Fire Orange Humbrol 209. Sorry nothing else in the paint locker. Thanks Rod for posting the pic. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod mcq Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Xtracolour produce both reds BS 381C 537 as X014 Red Arrows Red and BS 381C 538 as X031 Post Office Red. I believe the current official names for the 2 colours are Signal red and Cherry red respectively. The latter colour is RAF roundel red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Dokker Blaze I think Grizzly mentioned previously. Humbrol 209 Gloss Fire Orange over a white base but then some here say pink Then I've just found on Model Decals sheet No,96 a Wessex HU5 from 771 NAS Culdrose where the instructions state red BS538. Where as sheet No.99 states Gloss Day-glo red/orange. My assumption was it was always day-glo. Colin The one on MD 96 was one of the early machines still in Olive RM colour with Red / Blue roundels & Roundel Red for & aft I have found the Flory Red goes on well over a matt yellow base coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 Hello All, I have just ordered: Postal Red / Signal Red / RAF Recue Yellow from Xtracolor and Humbrol 209 Gloss Fire Orange (I hope the Humbrol is available) It is easier to get Xtracolor than Humbrol from my supplier in The Netherlands. If I can help you with anything from The Netherlands, let me know! Thanks alot. Dirk (orion) MPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selwyn Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Xtracolour produce both reds BS 381C 537 as X014 Red Arrows Red and BS 381C 538 as X031 Post Office Red. I believe the current official names for the 2 colours are Signal red and Cherry red respectively. The latter colour is RAF roundel red. BS 381c 1996 issue, (I have it open in fron of me as I speak) identifies 537 as signal red. 538 as Cherry (not "Cherry red") It looks as Xtracolour have mis labelled 538 as Post Office Red as Post Office vehicles are actually painted in 539 Currant red. Selwyn Xtracolour produce both reds BS 381C 537 as X014 Red Arrows Red and BS 381C 538 as X031 Post Office Red. I believe the current official names for the 2 colours are Signal red and Cherry red respectively. The latter colour is RAF roundel red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rod mcq Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Colour 538 was called Post Office red in older versions of BS 381C but the name was changed to Cherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perdu Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 This place is fabulous for esoteric detail, wonderful stuff guys Saved that picture in my Wessex SAR file Rod, thanks not my Wessex non SAR file Orion please come back when you have done your "mistress of the skies" model I'm a great fan of yellow Wessexii and green grey blue white black..... etcetera bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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