Bozothenutter Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, drake122 said: Oh, you can hang plenty more.😁 The question is, will it come with rear fuselage pylons and TERs? Well the C7 does, so it should be s given... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkp Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 I wonder if it will also include the 'frameless' windscreen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, hopkp said: I wonder if it will also include the 'frameless' windscreen? Kinetic's Instagram account shows cad images, and these show the frameless windscreen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Only requires minor changes to get to a Cheetah C! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Not heavy, but deadly: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/56/05/6156057915b2810a3aa20b49e7bed2aa.jpg https://fullfatthings-keyaero.b-cdn.net/sites/keyaero/files/imported/2019-06-19/img_49-2_8.jpg Or here: https://www.hispaviacion.es/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/IAI-Kfir-C10-FA-Colombia.jpg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkp Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Boman said: Kinetic's Instagram account shows cad images, and these show the frameless windscreen Thanks, good to know! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Vlamgat9 said: Only requires minor changes to get to a Cheetah C! Is changing the whole fuselage a minor change ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vlamgat9 said: Only requires minor changes to get to a Cheetah C! Well that is not exactly true... different canards, exhaust nozzle area, air scoops on upper and lower fuselage, various lumps and bumps on the nose and around the intakes, different tail, parachute housing, different wheels, different IFR probe, those strange fuselage and tail area lights, different IP coaming, not to mention different type of ejection seat (altough Kfir CE and Kfir COA had both different ones)... Edited December 18, 2021 by drake122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I'm looking forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Laurent said: Is changing the whole fuselage a minor change ? The Cheetah Cs are rebuilt, zero houred Kfir C2s with the Atar 9K-50 back fitted. They werent modified Mirage IIIs. They’re essentially Atar powered C10s. The Cheetah Es were modified Mirage IIIs. The C and E programmes were entirely distinct. The Cheetah Ds and Bs were a rag bag assortment of two seat Mirage III, 5 and Nesher airframes of varying provenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 18 hours ago, drake122 said: Well that is not exactly true... different canards, exhaust nozzle area, air scoops on upper and lower fuselage, various lumps and bumps on the nose and around the intakes, different tail, parachute housing, different wheels, different IFR probe, those strange fuselage and tail area lights, different IP coaming, not to mention different type of ejection seat (altough Kfir CE and Kfir COA had both different ones)... The mods are insignificant when compared with starting from a Mirage III, which has been the requirement to date. Particularly if you have a donor Mirage III for the exhaust nozzle and fin. Much easier than sculpting a Cheetah C nose from Miliput. Thought i forget that we are all kit assemblers and not modellers nowadays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vlamgat9 said: The mods are insignificant when compared with starting from a Mirage III, which has been the requirement to date. Particularly if you have a donor Mirage III for the exhaust nozzle and fin. Much easier than sculpting a Cheetah C nose from Miliput. Thought i forget that we are all kit assemblers and not modellers nowadays. There was already conversion sets for various 48th and 72nd scale Mirages and/or Kfirs out there, so one didn't really have to start from scratch... but obviously a true modeller would proceed and scratchbuild the entire aircraft from balsa wood if necessary.🤣 Edited December 19, 2021 by drake122 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, drake122 said: There was already conversion sets for various 48th and 72nd scale Mirages and/or Kfirs out there, so one didn't really have to start from scratch... but obviously a true modeller would proceed and scratchbuild the entire aircraft from balsa wood if necessary.🤣 Only if you want to spend lots of money for a tiny bit of resin and you like working with resin. I dont like either. So personally i am pleased i’ll be able to do it with styrene alone. But you do you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Vlamgat9 said: The Cheetah Cs are rebuilt, zero houred Kfir C2s with the Atar 9K-50 back fitted. They werent modified Mirage IIIs. They’re essentially Atar powered C10s That is actually the first time I have read this! Interesting! Strange to convert them back to ATAR engine mounts though..q Why would they lengthen the forward fuselage then behind the cockpit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, exdraken said: That is actually the first time I have read this! Interesting! Strange to convert them back to ATAR engine mounts though..q Why would they lengthen the forward fuselage then behind the cockpit? They had no choice but to convert back to Atar. It was the only engine available to SAAF apart from unreheated Spey. Sanctions precluded use of J79. The fuselage extension is related to avionics space and centre of gravity issues. RSA had insufficient Mirage IIIEZ airframes to convert to C standard - there were 38 Cs but only 17 IIIEZs and they were almost entirely converted to E standard. Conversion of the legacy IIICZs was impractical and there werent enough of them anyway (16). A significant “tell” about the airfame source being Kfirs was the sale of 4 Atar 9K-50s to Israel by SNECMA in 1989 for use on “prototype Kfirs”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) Soon - ref. 48048 - IAI Kfir C.10 - Latin America https://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KI-K48048 V.P. Edited August 6, 2022 by Homebee 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladerunner Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 On 12/19/2021 at 10:32 PM, Vlamgat9 said: Only if you want to spend lots of money for a tiny bit of resin and you like working with resin. I dont like either. So personally i am pleased i’ll be able to do it with styrene alone. But you do you. Vlamgat, although the C.10 is a welcome addition to the market, there is very little in common with the Cheetah C. Mostly the radome that can be modified, and really nice that it has the one piece windshield. From there on, there are a lot of mods to get to a Cheetah C. Forward fuselage extension, new instrument panel, bulkhead, spine, fillet at base of the tail fin, IFR probe, dorsal intakes, RWR and ECM blisters, exhaust cone and nozzle, CHAFF/Flare dispenser, ram APU, main wheels, canards, ventral intakes, and some antennas. Hats off to you for still going old school to scratch build it 💪🙂 💯 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drake122 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Damn it, Kinetic, Cheetah D, then a Kfir C.10... why, why. You are going to make me wallet hurt... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTX Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Tempted to grab one of these to modify as an IAI Nammer with F404 engine: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 "reveal"... Source: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/pfbid034CVMhEwFjuumLhUjh4XGALMncFY2Qe2iMpcVmYTpGLrmZKBkbWKZce4m1CiWujeWl Quote We are proud to reveal the BoxArt of the Kinetic Model 48048 - Kfir C10 Latin American, art designed by world famous Aviation Artist Antonis Karidis from Greece. Decals come from FCM Decals with support from Historians and Crew members from Colombian and Ecuadorian Air Forces. V.P. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) Schemes - ref. 48048 - IAI Kfir C.10 - Latin America Source: https://www.facebook.com/Kineticmodel/posts/pfbid0KMRBVQKUzuhA6duT4Ku1S6Y2NdGJ9MQSsH1JtYeC15UnTiJQU9jRStzBDuvkwE56l 1. Kfir CE FAE 905 - Escuadron de Combate 2113 - Taura AFB, Ecuador 2006. This aircraft is credited with the shotdown of a Peruvian A-37 Dragonfly during border conflicts between both countries. 2. Kfir C10(EW) FAC 3056 - Escuadron de Combate 111 - Palanqueros AFB, Colombia/April 2021. Aircraft that operates in Electronic Warfare role, with different antenna and sensors. Keep all the combat capacity. 3. Kfir C10 FAC 3060 - Escuadron de Combate 111 - RedFlag 2018 Participant. This aircraft has special markings for the participation on the RedFlag Exercise and markings that made reference to real operations against rebel forces in Colombia. Complete stencils for aircraft and weapons included. V.P. Edited May 16, 2022 by Homebee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) Released - ref. 48048 - IAI Kfir C.10 - Latin America https://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=KI-K48048 V.P. Edited October 27, 2022 by Homebee 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Included: Model Features: Positionable flaps Cockpits and ejection seats for both C10/CE Python-3, Mk82, CBU-10, Griffon LGB, Laser Designator & Derby missile included Subsonic and supersonic fuel tanks included Nose gear landing lamps with clear part HUD with clear parts Full air intake duct and detailed J79 engine nozzle Super detailed landing gear bay Open / close main wing airbrake New nose and windshield IFR Decal designed by FCM Decals In BOLD, the New and important parts! No Python IV/V , no 1000 lb Spice bomb any pic of the decal sheet already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, exdraken said: No Python IV/V , no 1000 lb Spice bomb Kinetic as quite a few kit producers use the services of a mouldmaker to produce the toolings. One half of the tooling is for the Cheetah D sprue and the other is for the Kfir C10 sprue. Sprue size was limited so choices had to be made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) I suspect both Python III and IV are included. Both were shown on the CAD images released earlier. Edited August 7, 2022 by Boman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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