Procopius Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Quick question that a strategic amount of googling could not determine the answer to: is the Su-27UB "merely" a trainer in Russian service, or does/would it see operational use as a normal combat airplane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) The UB stands for 'Uchebno Boyevoy' - which translates to 'Combat Trainer'. The Su-27UB is fully combat capable - with the same radar and weapons as the 'fighter' Su-27. Whether it is used as such by the RusAF is open to discussion - but it is capable of being used as a 'combat airplane'. It has also been developed into the multi-role Su-30 - with the Su-30MKK and Su-30MKI/M/A variants - which are definitely used in that role. Ken PS - Variants of the multi-role Su-30MKK and Su-30MKI are just entering service with the RusAF - as the Su-30MK2 and Su-30SM respectively Edited February 18, 2013 by Flankerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted February 18, 2013 Author Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thanks! Re: the Su-30, can the extant Trumpeter Su-30 kit be used to build a Russian example, or only a PLAAF one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Thanks! Re: the Su-30, can the extant Trumpeter Su-30 kit be used to build a Russian example, or only a PLAAF one? The Trumpeter kit (1/72 & 1/32) is a Su-30MKK - so can be used to build a Russian AF Su-30MK2........ Note though that the 1/72 scale kit fins are too short (I can't speak for the 1/32 scale version - I never bought it) I modded mine........ .... but Dream Model have now done resin replacements...... (ignore that it says 1/48 on the label - it is 1/72nd) The Su-30MKI/M/A - and therefore the new RusAF Su-30SM - is a totally different machine - with canards and TVC nozzles. HTH Ken Edited February 18, 2013 by Flankerman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar Models Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 The main differences of the Su-27UB and Su-30 (green markers) and Su-27 (red markers) Optical-location station moved to the right (1) Iinstalled flight refueling system (2)Improved avionics and operator cabin equipment (3)Two-wheel nose landing gear (4)Instructor cab converted into a operator station (5)Increase the vertical tail (6) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mfezi Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It may be partially off-topic, but recently there was a very nice photo article on English Russia on the Su-30SM: http://englishrussia.com/2013/02/07/russian-multi-purpose-fighter-su-30sm/ Lots of photographs that may be useful reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Further to operational use of Su-27UB's....... Kazakhstan has upgraded some of its UB's to UBM2's..... see Sebastijan's excellent 'conversion' of the 1/72 scale Trumpeter Su-27UB kit here A fully tooled up Su-27UBM2 with A2G weaponry. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procopius Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Say, Flankerman...all ALL Trumpy Su-27 fins too short, or just the Su-30MKK to Su-30MK2 fins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Say, Flankerman...all ALL Trumpy Su-27 fins too short, or just the Su-30MKK to Su-30MK2 fins? Only the Su-30MKK kit in 1/72 scale (I don't know about the 1/32 scale version) The three other Trumpeter Flanker kits - J-11B, Su-27UB and Su-27 (Early) kits - are all OK height-wise. See my guide to Flanker fins here (a bit anoraky I know, but some find it useful....) A minor point an ALL Flanker kits I have seen so far is the fact that on the real aircraft the intake at the base of the fin leading-edge is bigger on the port fin than it is on the starboard fin. All the of Flanker kits have solid same-sized 'blobs' for intakes. Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Old but very helpful thread... Been hunting around for the differences between a Su-30 and the Su-27UB... just got the 1/32nd Su-30 but fancy doing it as a Su-27UB... but don't think I will bother now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 On 2013-2-20 at 10:41 AM, Flankerman said: (a bit anoraky I know) You say that like it's a bad thing. Cheers, Andre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Ken, except for the Zvezda Su-27SM and their Su-33, the vertical fin intakes are sized differently; YOU pointed that out in your review of the Su-27SM a few months back. I checked the Su-33 lit and noticed that they had sized them the same(or close) as their Su-27SM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, JPuente54 said: Ken, except for the Zvezda Su-27SM and their Su-33, the vertical fin intakes are sized differently; YOU pointed that out in your review of the Su-27SM a few months back. I checked the Su-33 lit and noticed that they had sized them the same(or close) as their Su-27SM. This thread is dated 2013.... not a few months. (See my last post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 OOOPS! my mistake, I completely overlooked the date! Thanks, Radleigh, I do appreciate the comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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