exdraken Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Started something totally new for me, a prop plane! First one a small kit, Eduard's I-16 Weekend edition in Spanish Republican marking of the Spanish civil war 1936-1939 as it is supposed to be build in a single weekend, construction was easy and straight forward, small and simple cockpit that will be nearly totally hidden in the fuslage, sorry no photos! ready for painting: hope you like it, I do a lot!, it is really small Edited March 27, 2013 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpthedog Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I have the Hobby Craft I-16 sitting unfinished for a couple of months - so interested to see how your 'weekend' project turns out. Republican markings look colourful! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkers Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It's a great kit - i've made a type 10 and have a 28 in the stash. Easy to forget that this is a 1/48 kit when you're working with it as it's the same length as a 1/72 Hurricane ! Still plenty of detail though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Just a few things about that kit: althoug it's a great kit, it has some details to be corrected. Anyway, it's a lovely kit....and a really improvement over the old Hobbycraft one. -Cockpit floor: Actually, the I-16 didn't have a floor. -You must make to round holes on top of the fuselage, just under the windscreen. Those holes provided some sunlight into the cokpit...The instrument panel didn't have its own lights, so the pilot needed some "external help".... -Bean shaped hole into the wheel well. To see if the undercarriage was extended or not... Best regards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Hi Artie, thanks for your view an the little kit! Do you happen to have some photos showing these holes? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 some pics of the blue underside: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Green topside :-) :-) moving on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) So everybody, finally some update! already flying.... ? some weathering to do, details, etc. hope you like it! Edited February 28, 2013 by exdraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HL-10 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I've always liked the look of this little fighter, and this build is tempting me to have a go at one. Great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinleeds Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Very nice! I like your build. Doing the same model from Academy. I'll follow this tread with interes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josip Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I hate to spil your fun, but I think that green looks way to vivid and bright (toxic) for a proper cammo effect. It's not too late to tone it down. Josip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I hate to spil your fun, but I think that green looks way to vivid and bright (toxic) for a proper cammo effect. It's not too late to tone it down. Josip I agree with you, I'm afraid that's not the correct shade of green, maybe a picture effect.... The Gunze Sangyo equivalent colour should be as folows: -Upper fuselage Green: H303. -Undersides blue: H323. -Interior grey: H324. i'm not very convinced about Gunze's ability to match those colours, I've always prefered good old Humbrol 114 and 115 enamels.... Anyway, those Moscas wich were built in Spain used different paints than those wich were sent from Russia, so let's open the can of worms.... Cheers.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 thanks! maybe I was too focused on the boxart by Eduard, which shows quite a vivid green... found some color photos, but they are all of recently painted aircraft... but all seem to be more olive than my outcome hmmmm maybe some small repainting will be necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Go the Humbrol way and you'll rarely get wrong..... Sometimes, the boxarts are quite confusing, I've never considered them a good colour reference. Cheers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKscalemodeller Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Looking good, doubt my revell 1/72 will look so neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Nice little Mosca ("Fly" in Spanish; nice to see the proper Spanish Republican nickname being used as opposed to the derisive Spanish Fascist "Rata" - rat)! I have to agree that the green is too bright; it should be more subdued. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinleeds Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Hi Artie, thanks for your view an the little kit! Do you happen to have some photos showing these holes? Thanks! Hi I did the same holes by using this photos from museum I-16 and from the Russian model forum And dashboard holes Don't know if I want to do this on my I-16..... Ivan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Nice little Mosca ("Fly" in Spanish; nice to see the proper Spanish Republican nickname being used as opposed to the derisive Spanish Fascist "Rata" - rat)! I have to agree that the green is too bright; it should be more subdued. Regards, Jason Actually, the word "Mosca" had nothing to do with the term "mosca" (fly in spanish.....)..... The planes were sent to Spain from Russia completely dismantled into huge wooden crates. The word MOCKBA in cirylic letters was writen on those crates, so the ground crews and mechanics who reassembled the planes began calling them Moscas....Phonetically speaking, MOCKBA sounds quite similar to MOSCA in spanish. Something likt the name CHIRRI (criquet in spanish) given to the Fiat CR 32......In italian, you spell CR as CHI ERRE, wich sounds CHIRRI in spanish, but has nothing to do with the term "cricket", On the other hand, the nickname Rata (Rat) was given to the planes by the Nationalist bomber pilots who first faced them over the skies of Madrid. In the early days of the I-16 fighting service, they were painted in a weird and unpleasant shade of grey, possibly left unpainted in primer gray, called "mouse grey" by the spanish ground crews. The Polikarpovs used to fly at roof level over Madrid, and when they saw the nationalist bombers, attacked them from downwards in quick rounds and flew away, in the same way that sewer rats do....That, and the early colour of the planes, led to the "Rata" nickname........ IMHO, both nicknames are right....I couldn't say wich one is "proper" and wich one isen't so.... Cheers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdraken Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Hi all, thanks a lot for your input! I already repainted the green upper surface to a more olive one, photos will follow soon! Thanks Ivan for your references, will try to do these holes although the kit is already painted.... Cheers, Edited March 5, 2013 by exdraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Actually, the word "Mosca" had nothing to do with the term "mosca" (fly in spanish.....)..... The planes were sent to Spain from Russia completely dismantled into huge wooden crates. The word MOCKBA in cirylic letters was writen on those crates, so the ground crews and mechanics who reassembled the planes began calling them Moscas....Phonetically speaking, MOCKBA sounds quite similar to MOSCA in spanish. Something likt the name CHIRRI (criquet in spanish) given to the Fiat CR 32......In italian, you spell CR as CHI ERRE, wich sounds CHIRRI in spanish, but has nothing to do with the term "cricket", On the other hand, the nickname Rata (Rat) was given to the planes by the Nationalist bomber pilots who first faced them over the skies of Madrid. In the early days of the I-16 fighting service, they were painted in a weird and unpleasant shade of grey, possibly left unpainted in primer gray, called "mouse grey" by the spanish ground crews. The Polikarpovs used to fly at roof level over Madrid, and when they saw the nationalist bombers, attacked them from downwards in quick rounds and flew away, in the same way that sewer rats do....That, and the early colour of the planes, led to the "Rata" nickname........ IMHO, both nicknames are right....I couldn't say wich one is "proper" and wich one isen't so.... Cheers..... Not to be too pedantic, Artie, but it may have very well been a combination of the two - the word "MOCBA" (Moscow in Cyrillic), and the fact that as small aeroplanes, they were rather like little flies buzzing around, that led to the Spanish Republican nickname, "Mosca", or "Fly". I prefer this term, as in the Spanish Civil War this aeroplane was used primarily by the Spanish Republican Air Force, and that's what they called it. You don't see the Spitfire being called by whatever the Luftwaffe called them. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Not to be too pedantic, Artie, but it may have very well been a combination of the two - the word "MOCBA" (Moscow in Cyrillic), and the fact that as small aeroplanes, they were rather like little flies buzzing around, that led to the Spanish Republican nickname, "Mosca", or "Fly". I prefer this term, as in the Spanish Civil War this aeroplane was used primarily by the Spanish Republican Air Force, and that's what they called it. You don't see the Spitfire being called by whatever the Luftwaffe called them. Regards, Jason Not pedantic at all, Jason......Surely the name was a combination of both terms, but it's generally agreed that the name was born from the cyrillic letters..... The nationalist forces used less planes than the republicans just because they put onto service whatever they captured, and it wasn't until the capture of a factory at Alicante than they began building their own "Ratas". Anyway, the nationalist pilots didn't like the Ratas at all...it was a very difficult plane to fly, and not better at all than the already in service BF109 or Heinkel He 112. Those spanish built Ratas were slightly different than their russian cousins, and can be easlily built with some minor modifications from the Eduard kit. Cheers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learstang Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Thank you for the information, Artie! I use to be quite the Spanish Civil War aircraft kit collector (and I even built some of them!), but I've since become semi-permanently sidetracked onto the Eastern Front, especially Soviet aircraft. Someday I hope to get back to doing Spanish Civil War aeroplanes. There were such a tremendous variety, especially for the FARE - the Spanish Republican Air Force, and there were some interesting paint schemes. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 You're right, Jason......The spanish civil war era planes still give us some obscure subjects to build.....Specially the Republican ones, wich combined an absolute absence of information with a weird mixture of planes from lots of countries...Of special interest is the way the Grumman G23 came to Spain.....Do you like "gangster's movies"???????? Cheers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKscalemodeller Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Not to be too pedantic, Artie, but it may have very well been a combination of the two - the word "MOCBA" (Moscow in Cyrillic), and the fact that as small aeroplanes, they were rather like little flies buzzing around, that led to the Spanish Republican nickname, "Mosca", or "Fly". I prefer this term, as in the Spanish Civil War this aeroplane was used primarily by the Spanish Republican Air Force, and that's what they called it. You don't see the Spitfire being called by whatever the Luftwaffe called them. Regards, Jason Spot on Jason, I'm building an i-16 but I,m not building a 'Rata' or a Mosca' I'm building an 'Ishak' because mine is from the eastern front and as such I wouldn't call it a 'Siipiorava' (Finnish for flying squirrel). That said it's the 1/72 revell from the 60's and so I might have the correct name but it is not a great representation of the type, but I'm ignoring that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Spot on Jason, I'm building an i-16 but I,m not building a 'Rata' or a Mosca' I'm building an 'Ishak' because mine is from the eastern front and as such I wouldn't call it a 'Siipiorava' (Finnish for flying squirrel). That said it's the 1/72 revell from the 60's and so I might have the correct name but it is not a great representation of the type, but I'm ignoring that. In the same way of thinking, we shouldn't call "Mustang" a P51 because that's the name the Britons gave to the plane, instead of the original North American designation for the fighter....????? Cheers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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