luis pacheco Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The model DHC-1 is already finished master, and immediately goes into production. Sale is expected in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) Or a 72nd Avro Athena. To my knowledge it's never been kitted. Cue someone saying there was an obscure vacform 30+ years ago... A company called "Airways Vacform" did several airliners (occasionally found on Ebay or similar) including the Athena (I have never even seen one advertised). In the light of John's comments it's maybe not too accurate and probably pretty rare! Edited March 6, 2013 by Ed Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You are perhaps thinking of the Ashton. For the Athena, think of a competitor to the Balliol. Unless Airways Vacform actually did both....... It's not, I must admit, anywhere near the top of my list of wants. I'm more interested in AZ's promised Master and Tiger Moth. I have Pete Amos's second Miles encyclopedia on order, and I can guarantee it will set me twitching for Masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galgos Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 For:.Galgos. Unfortunately Percival in 1/48 yet not planned. The good news is that once again begin to prepare models 1/48 in the new quality and new technology. Info will soon be here. That's a shame Peter, it's a lovely little plane which will complement your Tiger Moth and Miles Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) A company called "Airways Vacform" did several airliners (occasionally found on Ebay or similar) including the Athena (I have never even seen one advertised). In the light of John's comments it's maybe not too accurate and probably pretty rare! The Athena was a trainer of which there were seven pre-production a/c and fifteen production for the RAF, these were based at Manby and Strubby and dismantled there. There has never been a model kit because there are no drawings and I believe all the original stuff was lost in the Chadderton works fire John Edited March 6, 2013 by John Aero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 As i said, I have never even sen the kit advertised, but it is listed as such in ESM72, which is not infallible, but is generally accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denford Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 For :Neu and John: Well, we do not consider early Skyraider. Russian aircraft .. it is better. Here we have some plans. Unfortunately, while our production capacity is fully flooded, so everything will be planned later. Model Yakovlev-1B, we left the company FLY. Yet I tell you that we are now working on the cover version of the Spitfire Mk.IX "in Russia"(HQT), upgrade kit for Spitfire UTI Mk.IX (HQT) and Spitfire Mk.VB "The Red Star" (SR). We must now finish the unfinished models from our catalog. Already'm preparing forms for Fiat CR-32 (HQT), Airsped Oxford (new SR), Kawasaki Ki-102 (SR), Boeing P-26 (new SR) and recently also contribute to renew-line models "Luftwaffe 46". We are ready for the first form of this edition and the Gotha Model P-60C-1 ( new SR) and Gotha P-60G-1(new SR). Everything is of course 1/72. Tags for technology are: HQT .. metal mold form SR .. short run new SR ... Improved technology short run, the first use of our new model Fairchild F.24/UC-61 I hope you all enjoy this .. Best regards Petr AZ Do you have any plans to issue a 2 seat Spitfire: NOT the conversion made by the Russians, but those made in very limited numbers in UK and currently available in resin from Czechmaster. If 'Yes' I will wait (an essential part of modelling) but if 'No', I'll start attempting conversion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aero Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 It may have been in their lists but I'm sure it was never moulded. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 You are probably right John but as I understand it the ESM72 lists were mainly compiled by people sending the one-time organiser lists of what kits they had. That said, this one wouldn't be the first mistake in the list, although it's a worthwhile resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Is it possible that multiple photos of the type appeared in Aircraft Recognition Journal? Or some other periodical of the time? Even a set of silhouettes, or an outline in Janes? Not all modelmakers are as definitive as you, John, and may well have produced something from what was available, however limited? I've no knowledge of the company itself or its range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Being at risk of starting the next Holy War, I'd like to see corrected wing for the 1/72 AZ Spitfire Mk.IX because the actual one lacks 4mm in wingspan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Source of wingspan data? I'm a bit surprised an error of this size hasn't been raised before. I don't have this kit, or any other of the AZ "standard" wing Spitfires to check myself. Edited March 8, 2013 by Graham Boak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Graham, the source is Monforton. The wingspan of the clipped wing is 9.9m or 13.75mm in 1/72. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Peter, Regarding the P-26 International kit and the option 1 markings shown. This was the delivery scheme and the markings are those of the Canton Air Force not the Chinese Air Force. The Boeing 281 was used by the 2nd Squadron of the Canton Air Force together with Armstrong-Whitworth 16 fighters. They arrived just about at the start of a period of very complex localised civil war and were involved in at least three defection flights from Canton to the Nanking regime. After Canton's independence ended in July 1936 the Boeings were taken over by the Chinese Air Force (of Chiang Kai Shek's Nationalist - Kuomintang - regime) and served in the 17th Squadron, 3rd Air Group during the defence of Nanking against the Japanese. In Nationalist service the aircraft were re-painted in the standard scheme of overall dark olive green with large four digit white squadron numbers painted on the fuselage - 17**. The first two digits identified the squadron and the last two the individual aircraft. The Chinese Air Force serial number P-**** was painted on the fin in small white letters and numbers. The national insignia reverted to the Kuomintang "white sun in blue sky" roundels without the outer red border used by Canton and with the blue and white striped rudder. Confusion over the scheme has been caused in part by the Squadron Signal 'Mini' on the type which contained several photographs showing the grey-painted 281s in Canton Air Force service at Shoukouling but captioned them as showing aircraft in 'Chinese Air Force' service at 'Chuying'. Several of the Canton Air Force pilots who later served in the Chinese Air Force flying Gloster Gladiators were private pilot's licence volunteers from the USA of Chinese-Cantonese extraction. Nick Thanks for getting that out, Sir. It is an odd little passage of history. If recollection serves, that 'Mini'has one picture which must be from the transition,as it shows one machine in grey and one in green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hub Plott Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Peter: As a 1/48 modeler I have really enjoyed building the Ki-48, Vengeance and He-70 that your company produced. Previously you have announced the Myrsky and GG1 in 1/48. Are these kits still to be produced? Looking forward to your other new 1/48 kits! Any thoughts given to producing a Brewster SB2A in 1/48? Thank you Hub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Millman Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Thanks for getting that out, Sir. It is an odd little passage of history. If recollection serves, that 'Mini'has one picture which must be from the transition,as it shows one machine in grey and one in green. You are most welcome and I'm pleased that it was of interest to you. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 (edited) Being at risk of starting the next Holy War, I'd like to see corrected wing for the 1/72 AZ Spitfire Mk.IX because the actual one lacks 4mm in wingspan. You obviously measured the lower wing only which comes without the outer wing tips that are incorporated into the upper wing halves. With those the total span measures ~ 13.6 mms, more than close enough for me. Edited March 8, 2013 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Occa, The lower wing I measured with a caliper spans for 13.2cm. The clipped tips contribute 2mm at best. Even so, the parts glued together, I've got w. the same caliper mere 13,35cm. The comparison of the wing halves with the Phase kit clearly shows that AZ wing is shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) RT dunno how you did it but I get almost 13.6 cm when I glue both upper wing halves on. I used a vernier for the measurement. Edited March 9, 2013 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) RT dunno how you did it but I get almost 13.6 cm when I glue both upper wing halves on. I used a vernier for the measurement. I don't know how you managed to get it:) For comparison, I've measured the lower wing halves w/o wingtips of a 'new' Airfix Mk.I and Hase IX with the same caliper and got 136mm. It matches very well Monforton's measurements. The distance between the port and starboard wing stations No.21 ( wingtip attachment ) should be ~4900mm [Monforton p.7.29 & 7.26] -> 136.1mm in 1/72. My AZ samples ( have a 'joy pack' ) deliver 132mm. With all respect, I can't believe that the clipped tips deliver 4mm wingspan. The simplest way - compare visually the lower halves of Airfix and Hasegawa to AZ and see the difference yourself. Summing up, the distance port-stbd stn. No.21 'new' Airfix I 135,5mm 'old' Airfix I 135mm, is however warped:( Hasegawa Mk.IX 135.8mm AZ Mk.IXc 132mm Required: 136mm AZ Mk.IXc clipped wing glued together 134mm. True span w. clipped wingtips 9900/137.5mm True span w. standard wingtips 11250/156.25 Edited March 9, 2013 by RT11SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) OK my exact measurements: Lower wing only: 132.6 mm One top wing attached: 134.3 mm Both top wings attached: 135.8 mm Both wing tips add 3.2 mm and not only '2mm at best' like you said. It depends, too much dihedral will give lower results, could it be you are bending the wing a bit while measuring? Or maybe it is warped in the direction of too much dihedral? Edited March 9, 2013 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) 3.2mm is a bit generous:). Again, compare w. Monforton drawings in 1/24. My math knowledge tells me that in 1/24 this should make 4.8mm for a single wingtip. LOL. Edited March 9, 2013 by RT11SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occa Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) 3.2mm is a bit generous:). Again, compare w. Monforton drawings in 1/24. My math knowledge tells me that in 1/24 this should make 4.8mm for a single wingtip. LOL Deleted ... Edited March 9, 2013 by occa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT11SJ Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) Are you kidding us? In 1/72 those 4.8 mm are exactly the 1.6 mm I measured, spot on I say ... First of all, please brush your language. Neither I'm going to insult anybody, nor taking insults from you. If you put this 4,8mm to the 1/24 drawing, you'll see how funny this would look. In the book, on the 1/24 drawing it IS 2.7mm wide. Even in the 1/8 scale it is less than 8mm wide( Monforton, page 7.47 ). In 1/72 it makes 8/9=0,8(8)mm ~ 0.9mm for a SINGLE TIP or 1.8mm for BOTH. Back to your 'measurements', 1.6mm in 1/72 makes 14.4mm in 1/8( hopefully you understand the math basics ). No precise instrument is required to see the difference between 8 and 14 mm. Even so, you've measured 132.6mm between the wingtip attachment stations. That is, the tips - clipped or standard - are 3,4 mm nearer to the a/c centerline as they should be. These points ( St.21) are much more important than the clipped tips width, for example considering a build of the standard tips wing. Edited March 9, 2013 by RT11SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts