Muzz Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Quite refreshing to see Eduard putting info up on their Facebook page to inform folks that their Mig-15 will likely be delayed due to the moulding tool becoming damaged, photo's and all! Usually manufacturers set a release date and that's it until the kit arrives a year or so late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm not really sure what that photo shows though. They didn't elaborate on the "damage" or how it was inflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=234923484 V.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I'm still not sure what we're looking at, nor how it could have happened. Their explanation was very murky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorth Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 It looks like something heavy was dropped on it and made those impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I dont think something has been dropped on those, the impressions are not angular at all, almost looks like heat damage caused something to suck in. I have seen similar in plastic but never in metal. Not sure what metal those are made of? looks like some kind of copper alloy with a coating on top, really to me looks like heat damage or a defect in the original mold. Either way does look very strange. Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted September 24, 2012 Author Share Posted September 24, 2012 Definitely looks like some sort of problem with heat and maybe some sort of soft spots on the mould. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 As they said on the page it was the last in line of the "old mold" technology which could mean a thin shell with a metal behind to fill out the mold like most short run injection molding forms. I was looking forward to this one, now it should be a longer time before we have the kit. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C. Bahr Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 As they said on the page it was the last in line of the "old mold" technology Ya know, it's really too bad for their misfortune, but why didn't they initially just hold their cards close and not make any announcements about this kit until it was really getting close to release? I'm just to where I don't wanna know about anything until it's pretty much a certainty and not too far out from hitting the store shelves. Less disappointment that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Guess the other way to look at it is the fact I've held off buying any other MiG-15 kit until this one is released. Chances are Eduard will get some of my money whereas I'd perhaps not bother if there was a kit already in the stash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMG Offramp Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Is it me or the mold cavity in the photo looks like the one used to mould the inner surface of the fuselage ? If it is, it will probably be easier to repair because no recessed/raised details. Cheers, Steven Edited September 26, 2012 by PMG Offramp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Having posted pics of the sprues and said it's imminent, if they had said nothing, then all sorts of rumours may have come about. As to the mould damage, it looks to me as if there was a cavity in the solid part of the mould that has collapsed (under injecting pressure) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Good day to everyone, Just back from the E-Day in Prague and it was a fantastic affair. I was lucky to get a copy of the new Eduard MiG-15 in the limited edition Dual Combo version minutes after the show opened on Friday morning. According to my information (facebook) there were just 116 pieces of it made before the accident happened with the press form. Had a lot of discussion with Mr. Vladimir Sulc the chief of Eduard and they are working at the moment to make a new form for the fuselage to replace the one damaged. The biggest surprise for me was in the box. This was not clear from previous communications from the company but now it was there in the box. Yes they did make two versions of the kit, both the early MiG-15 and the late or second generation MiG-15 bis. There are two separate and distinctly different sprues for the fuselage halves for the two versions! This is great! As you will see from the photos below they did make those fine differences in fuselage shape, panel lines and tail cone difference which identify the two versions. It is a “marginal” difference in tail cone shape but it is there and I am glad they did make it as a separate fuselage! (Now why was it not possible for the 48th MiG-21 bis nose . . . don’t ask me) The box has lots of goodies, you get two sets of sprues for the two versions, there are resin parts for the Czech missiles to go under the wings, there is a photoetched set with the small details, a mask (two of them one for the 15 and one for 15 bis) for the painting. Now this is a special Czech MiG-15 box set and it is not a surprise that there are ten schemes for Czechoslovak AF planes included on two sheets of decals. Some are very colourful while others are the plain metal type. It will be difficult to make a choice! And this is only some of the Czech versions, I envisage an almost endless line of MiG-15 kits, there are so many variations world wide! A 16 page instruction gives you all the help needed and it is good to see that at last the name “bis” is correctly written with small letters not as it was on the MiG-21 bis kit. So here is the box. And this is what you find inside it. Or to be more precise almost everything as I have taken out already the DVD of a 1973 Czech motion picture about the pilots and lots of fascinating MiG-15 footage. Here are the parts laid out. More in detail. The most important part of the story are these two frames with the one on the left for the MiG-15 and the other one for the MiG-15bis. I dont remember any company in the past producing the early version! So this is great! Here are some of the other sprues which are the same for the two versions. Of course there are other detail differences that you will have to make yourself but some of them are very simple. Here are the small resin missiles for the Czech versions. One thing which was not available for sale at the Eday was a resin set of the ejection seat but I am sure there will be a lot of aftermarket sets rushing towards us like a Chunami in the near future. Even closer detail view. And here are some of the main differences between the MiG-15 and the MiG-15 bis fuselage as illustrated on the tail sections. I have to congratulate Eduard on this after an initial scare that they will do just one fuselage. They go it right here. I hope you like what you see and as the Mr. Sulc said the kit will soon be available after the new form is put into operation. Best regards Gabor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I do like what I see ! I really hope that Eduard will sort the mould as soon as possible, so that both versions will become available again ! My only concern is with the canopy: looks like it can only be posed closed, is this correct ? It would be a pity to have to hide all that PE cockpit detail under a closed canopy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yes you are right. But the thing is that you get two complete canopies with the front windshield in the kit. I havent had a chance to have a close look at the canopies if they are different or not but I wouls say they look almost the same so you are given the opportunity to do an open cockpit by cutting one (or both) canopies apart. Anyway you have a spare one if you make a mistake. Actually the early version had a slightly different design but in this scale it will never show. They had a double glazed canopy there with a desicator charge on both the left and right half of the canopy. It was a white cilindrical device in the back. The later canopies were made from a single 10mm plexiglass. But as I said you will not see this on a 72nd scale kit. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The Eduard team is working on the new forms for the MiG-15. Now it was interesting in discussion with the CO Mr.Sulc that there is always a chance that a similar technological problem could happen with the other pressforms of the "old technology" galvan forms made for the MiG-15. Now it seems that they are going to redo not only the damaged part of the form but there is a chance that others too! So basically the Mk.2. version will be a brand new one taking advantage of the precision of the CAD technology that we have seen on some of the recent kits by Eduard. I say WOW! The sad part of the news is that it could delay the kits original re-release date from the planed November. It could mean that the 116 kits, old-technology kits sold at the E-Day are going to be real collectors items in the future. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul A H Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 That looks very nice indeed Curious that it is moulded in grey plastic and not the usual olive green plastic that Eduard use though. Could that be something to do with the old-style technology as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ya-gabor Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 That looks very nice indeed Curious that it is moulded in grey plastic and not the usual olive green plastic that Eduard use though. Could that be something to do with the old-style technology as well? I dont think so. Its just a choice of colour of plastic for the kit. At the E-Day they have been given away as a bonus to the entry ticket either a Spit kit in 144 or a MiG-21MF in 144. The Mig was in bright blue colour, it has nothing to do with the moulds! There was a separate storage area in the Eduard factory that I have seen where the row plastic was stored and it is just a choice of particular colour for a given kit. Best regards Gabor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 This tallies with what I've been told by a contact who went to E-day. There will also be some other new exciting Eduard releases next year - some really 'big' releases which should please a lot of people, providing that Eduard make them fairly accurate! thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan B Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 This tallies with what I've been told by a contact who went to E-day. There will also be some other new exciting Eduard releases next year - some really 'big' releases which should please a lot of people, providing that Eduard make them fairly accurate! thanks Mike Oh you tease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It could mean that the 116 kits, old-technology kits sold at the E-Day are going to be real collectors items in the future. That's what I thought when I read about the mould mishap. Taking "limited edition" to the next level. Maybe with a signed certificate? Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Oh you tease! Haha! I'm not sure what is supposed to be general knowledge or not, so I best not tell. Some of it is expected some perhaps not - but it's going to be potentially great for WW2 modellers! thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 This tallies with what I've been told by a contact who went to E-day. There will also be some other new exciting Eduard releases next year - some really 'big' releases which should please a lot of people, providing that Eduard make them fairly accurate! Pencil me in for three 1/48 Spitfire IXs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 It could mean that the 116 kits, old-technology kits sold at the E-Day are going to be real collectors items in the future. Best regards Gabor Apparently the people who are bidding on this one think so - $55, and still 3 days to go! http://www.ebay.com/itm/200827094354?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfqweofekwpeweiop4 Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Pencil me in for three 1/48 Spitfire IXs... Only 3? Just wait till you find out what else they are planning to release! thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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