Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Noticed it the other day - rather lacklustre box art IMO. Anyone know if the actual moulding quality on the Revell kits is better than ICM's? Cheers Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 In a word NO. If you are into sink marks this is the kit for you .................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 In a word NO. If you are into sink marks this is the kit for you .................... I take you "invested" then?.... Jonners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Just doing the ICM in their blue boxed release. The only sink marks mine has are on the prop blades(no problem if you're going to use an AM prop)and on the upper wing panels ahead of the ailerons. There's mucho fiddling and fettling to be done(nowt like Aifix's lovely Seafer XVII)to get it to a nice level of fitting,but surely that's all part of the modelling game. The thing is that you know there's a superb Spit in there waiting to be let out when you've finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Just doing the ICM in their blue boxed release. The only sink marks mine has are on the prop blades(no problem if you're going to use an AM prop)and on the upper wing panels ahead of the ailerons. There's mucho fiddling and fettling to be done(nowt like Aifix's lovely Seafer XVII)to get it to a nice level of fitting,but surely that's all part of the modelling game. The thing is that you know there's a superb Spit in there waiting to be let out when you've finished. Hi Miggers- hence my wondering, they do build in to very nice models with a bit of "just add modelling skill" . I believe later ICM boxings were less sink mark ridden. So I just wondered if Revell had popped these themselves, there might be no sink marks... ...Although from what i understand its usually the parent company that does the moulding, then the sprues are reboxed - so I'm guessing its an ICM pop after all. Anyone know what the decal options in the Revell box are? Jenko? edit - Bill Harpers AU-J "Dorothy II" from 421 Sqn seems to be one of them - I just looked at the box art properly- Doh! Cheers Jonners Edited August 15, 2012 by Jon Kunac-Tabinor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.smith10 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Haven't Revell re-poped others models using there own plastic in the past? I seem to remember reading this about the harrier GR 7/9 or spitfire ix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Jonners, The main problem is around the top wing ailerons and the cannon bays, where there are internal supports. When the plasic has cooled from injection slight sinking has taken place. Also one or two areas around the cockpit area of the fuselage. This kit also came out under the Italeri banner as well. ( Same problems ) HTH Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Hacker Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The other decal option is SL718 RAS-D in the Elmdon Air Race markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Jones Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Jonners, The main problem is around the top wing ailerons and the cannon bays, where there are internal supports. When the plasic has cooled from injection slight sinking has taken place. Also one or two areas around the cockpit area of the fuselage. This kit also came out under the Italeri banner as well. ( Same problems ) HTH Dick Don't think this came out under the Italeri label, that was the Occidental kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Hi Jonners. Mine has certainly needed a bit of "added modelling skill"(bit of a mare in places),especially around the aft end of the wing roots/under fuselage. I'm going to have some fun there considering I want to do a post-war silver Spit out of it, so maybe the blue boxing I have is an earlier release. Dick,wasn't Italeri's a re-pop of the Occidental kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabat Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Is the new kit the 4661 boxing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Is the new kit the 4661 boxing? This is it: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Revell-04661-1-72-Supermarine-Spitfire-Mk-XVI-NEW-2012-/200803878818?pt=UK_ToysGames_ModelKits_ModelKits_JN&hash=item2ec0d807a2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Don't think this came out under the Italeri label, that was the Occidental kit. Hi Jonners. Mine has certainly needed a bit of "added modelling skill"(bit of a mare in places),especially around the aft end of the wing roots/under fuselage. I'm going to have some fun there considering I want to do a post-war silver Spit out of it, so maybe the blue boxing I have is an earlier release. Dick,wasn't Italeri's a re-pop of the Occidental kit? Guys you are quite correct. I have just made an Occidental mistake....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therollercoaster Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 In a word NO. If you are into sink marks this is the kit for you .................... Disagree, the Revell boxing I bought last week is moulded to a far higher quality than the ICM release I bought some years ago, its not perfect, there are a few sink-marks on the wings as mentioned but overall the moulding is worlds better than the original kits, they were shocking, I think I ended up with a bigger pile of flash than actual parts! That said I've seen some splendid models made from these kits, they are worth persevering with and I think the Revell re-issue is a far better starting point than the original ICM boxing. Its also handy that the spare Revell decals will be pressed into use on one of my ICM kits, the original decals seem to be printed with an ink that shatters on contact with water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin @ Freightdog Models Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The plastic will have been moulded by ICM, and supplied in bags to Revell. Its possible that Revell might specify a better grade of plastic but I doubt it. Any improvement over earlier ICM boxing is probably down to better quality control in house. Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well, after the Avon Show last weekend I picked up a job lot of Griffon Spitfire's and other bits Cheers Kev! and was told some interesting stuff. The first ICM offerings with white plastic were quite poor on the quality side, these were addressed in the blue box issue with the grey plastic which were much better. The sprues in all the ICM kits are the same with different instructions. The props on my examples all have sink marks, the rest of the kit is variable one has no sink marks the other does. When building them widen the fuselage slightly where the wings fit checking with the lower nose. If you just fill the gaps in the wing roots the lower nose will be too wide. That's no fault of the kit just a compromise made to cover as many options as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therollercoaster Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 The plastic itself is much better quality, the ICM kit I have is in a white, soapy-feeling soft plastic that deforms easily, the re-release is in a harder dark-grey that seems to carry the detail better, but that might be just because its a darker grey. The only thing thats wrong with the picture is that Revells 'ICM Spitfire XVI' is 13 quid, while the ICM 'ICM Spitfire XVI' used to available for a tenner! Hannants are listing it as out-of-stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Well, after the Avon Show last weekend I picked up a job lot of Griffon Spitfire's and other bits Cheers Kev! and was told some interesting stuff. The first ICM offerings with white plastic were quite poor on the quality side, these were addressed in the blue box issue with the grey plastic which were much better. The sprues in all the ICM kits are the same with different instructions. The props on my examples all have sink marks, the rest of the kit is variable one has no sink marks the other does. When building them widen the fuselage slightly where the wings fit checking with the lower nose. If you just fill the gaps in the wing roots the lower nose will be too wide. That's no fault of the kit just a compromise made to cover as many options as possible. Mine is the blue boxing with white mouldings. All the parts are XVI-specific with no extra wing tips and such. The firewall,IP and seat fame were all too big. I've left the engine assembly out all together and just fitted the reduction gear to the front nose former(it was far too fussy to fit in and the top cowling fits better with it out too). The wing root chord on the upper panels is bigger than the fuselage root fairings, consequently the lower panel is also too big at the root/underfuselage joints. (same chord as the upper panels) The white plastc doesn't seem to really like MEK,it takes quite a soaking to get a decent joint. Having said that,it is easily sanded and cut. BUT,having said all that,now the wing is fitted and well on the way to being fettled, it certainly looks like a Spit XVI. And as folks say,there is nothing else out there that comes close to a 1/48 two stage Merlin like these ICM's do. If you want Tamigawa "shakee-boxee-gettee-model" then stay away from 'em,but it'll cost ye more and the nose will be short. Edited August 15, 2012 by Miggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Guys you are quite correct. I have just made an Occidental mistake....... Makes no difference Tamiya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenko Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Makes no difference Tamiya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Come on then Jonners,get one bought and do one of your superb WIPs with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 Come on then Jonners,get one bought and do one of your superb WIPs with it LOL - I did AU-J a few years ago using the Aeroclub Mk XVI conversion, but I've always fancied FJW-L ( that heller XVI has a lot to answer for!). So who knows. FWIW the 3 ICM models Ive made have been a source for a wealth of Spit parts, as has been the Revell/ Hasegawa repop boxing of the IX/XVI boxing. I always seem to do a lot of cross kitting with Spits. Cheers - watch this space perhaps - Iv'e a Sea Hornet and Gladiator to get through first, and a Sea Vixen FAW 1 Jonners 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsk75 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 How bad is the supposedly narrow nose on these ICMs? Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperService Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 If you're refering to my post #16 above Jean then the lower fueslage is about 0.5mm too narrow. I think the design of the fuselage half allows it to twist slightly as it cools. The lower nose piece is the right width and, on all the ICM Spits I've heard about there is a gap where the wing meets the fuselage. Spreading the lower fuselage a bit means the lower nose fits a lot better and the wing gap reduces as a bonus. On one I'm working on at the moment I've had to relieve the front section of the wing join to let the rest slide in better, that is unusual. The actual kit is IMHO pretty good there's a buildup here that may help, you'll probabily have to register but the text is quite helpful as it is http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/8-commonwealth-night-fighter/done-spitfire-mkviii-136-squadron-raf-burma-1944-commonwealth-gb-27265.html and http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/8-commonwealth-night-fighter/done-1-48-icm-spitfire-mk-ix-ae-b-ian-keltie-402-sqdn-rcaf-commonwealth-gb-26812.html A good sign generally is that the engine has been made a little undersized to fit inside the fuselage rather than the fuselage being distorted to hold a correctly sized engine. http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2002/11/stuff_eng_barbaszynski_spitfire_xvi.htm They really are very good kits but avoid the white plastic ones as they are pretty poor, grey is the colour to go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I have just made an Occidental mistake....... Makes no difference Tamiya. No need to revell in it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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