phat trev Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Following my search for the interior set for the Do17Z I am interested to know if a Nightfighting Do17Z-7 or Do17Z-10 can be converted from the 1/72 Monogram kit? my guess it can but it would be other views would be interesting please. I will need a nightfighter scheme? I have looked on wing pallette.com and found a small selection of references http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/325/2/6 A black underside and splinter camo topside would look good if they were painted in this way? Liking the look of the Z-7 version at the moment with the solid gun nose? how would I be able to make a mould of the kits 'glass' nose without ruining the plastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhhalifaxxx Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Years ago, when Neil Robinson was in charge of Model Aircraft International (was that the title for SAMI's sister magazine?), he published an article of such a conversion, but in 1/48, using, if I recall correctly, a Hobbycraft Do-17Z and some extra parts made by a friend of his. That article carried a couple of nice colour schemes. I was thinking of doing a similar project in 1/72 using the Monogram/Revell Do-17Z-2 and the leftover parts from ICM's Do-215 kit, which include a night fighter nose, FUG antennae, etc. I'm still waiting for a Do-127Z-2 I ordered, so I couldn't check yet if the project is feasible, but it seems a reasonable idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackers Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) The Z-7 seems to have been based alot on the Z-6 with the nose of a Ju-88C There is more references for the Z-6 & Z-10 here and here Edited July 12, 2012 by smackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phat trev Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Some good info there. Most references seem to focus on the later Do218 nightfighters which looks like it was purpose built as a heavy fighter (albiet a very ugly one in my opinion!) Interesting that a Junkers 88 nose cover was used, prehaps I can lookout for one of these? Looks like some nightfighters had a change of engine also, I think I have a pair of engines left from an Italeri Bf110 G4 which may be hand after a bit of research first me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bil Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Some good info there.Most references seem to focus on the later Do218 nightfighters which looks like it was purpose built as a heavy fighter (albiet a very ugly one in my opinion!) Interesting that a Junkers 88 nose cover was used, prehaps I can lookout for one of these? Looks like some nightfighters had a change of engine also, I think I have a pair of engines left from an Italeri Bf110 G4 which may be hand after a bit of research first me thinks. Its NOT a Ju88C nose although most references will tell you otherwise; check the respective fuselage cross sections and then look at photos of the Do17Z-6 and compare with Ju88Cs - not the same. IIRC, the Ju88C gun mounting was used but the nose itself was a custom design. There have been resin conversions for he Do17Z-10 (AV) and Do215B-5 (Maintrack), the later also including replacement engine cowlings. I'm not aware of any Do17Z-6 noses. ICM include the Z-6 nose in both their Do215B-4 and Do215B-5 boxings (which also contains an Do17Z-10 type nose without radar) - presumably for later Do17 boxings - Z-6 and Z-10 to go with their announced Z-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackers Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well done bil, seems to be Ju-88C armament in a new nose. Some more references that may be worth checking here. If using WoT a warning pops up but this particular site seems ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phat trev Posted July 16, 2012 Author Share Posted July 16, 2012 Still no scheme info or plans but I have now reached the conclusion that it is a Do.17 Z-7 I wish to build the only one I have found is all black which seems a bit dull but if thats the colour then.. I am a bit of a loss without any clear plan views of this aircraft (all that seems available are the Z2 and Z3 bomber/Recce versions.) Because of thi, I am guessing that the first NF Dorniers did not have extra machine guns in the back as protection like the bombers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bil Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'm sure I've read somewhere that the early Do17 nightfighters had 70/71 uppersurfaces left from their days as bombers and only the undersides were repainted black although a brief look through my references failed to show where I got this idea from. However, there are a series of photos of a Z-7 of 2/NJG2 in "Die Deutch Luftwaffe: Zerstorer - und Nachtjagdverbande Teil 2" which appears to my eye to show black undersurfaces and a lighter top: 70/71 left after the conversion? There don't appear to be any additional side-mounted guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phat trev Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 These photos are good thanks bil. I particually like the final one as it clearly shows the blunt gun nose and correct pointy shape of the props. (those gunes are lined vertically?) Having now found a good reference plan on http://www.the-blueprints.com I a bit happer about starting the conversion now. Thinking of using filler on the glass nose provided to create the gun nose as I have nothing in my spares box that is similar or could be used and shaped accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Hello fellow modellers, I was reading finish magazine called Ilmailuhistoriallinen lehti 4/2006 and there was article about Dornier 17Z written by Pentti Manninen. He used factory manuals as a reference. Z-6 is not a night fighter variant, based on Pentti's article it's a weather recognize aircraft. Z-7 is first night fighter and armament was taken from Ju-88C1 and shape of nose isn't from Junkers. Second night fighter variant was Z-10 where was a Dornier built weapon installation. Br. Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bil Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Without wishing to appear pedantic (though others' opinions may differ!), I would appreciate an explanation as to how a Ju88C nose, designed to match the forward fuselage cross section of a Ju88 could be easily attached to the significantly different cross section of a Do17 front fuselage. The Do17 photographs I posted above are obviously a different shape. There is a serious danger that "received wisdom" is in danger of trumping reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesa Jussila Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think I was using my wording wrongly. Only gun platform is from Ju88C-1, aerodynamical components like cover for guns is different and has nothing to do with Junkers items. Article that I was refering to is clearly stating this. I hope I was able to clarify my writing. Br. Vesa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bil Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Please accept my sincere apologies, I mis-read your previous post. My leaping to conclusions rather than your wording; sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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