Pin Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 What an interesting method of transferring line drawings! I will definitely give it a try - thanks for the hint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 I forgot to mention (it could be misunderstood just by looking at the pics): you place drawing upside-down on styrene and then brush the glue on the clear side of paper. This way glue transfers drawing onto styrene. Then you need to remove the paper while glue is still fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 As it turned out this method may be used for creating stencils. http://panzer35.ru/forum/31-1587-1 The guy recommends printing on glossy paper as the toner sticks worse, in particular - he mentions MAXIM and polish porno magazines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James G Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Interesting build and great tips, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 As announced, I decided to scratch Sorbtsya ECM pods. They look like this: http://i741.photobuc...u34/0929780.jpg http://i741.photobuc...stiya-Pod-1.jpg Each Sorbstya pod weights 205 kg, has 4200 mm in length and 300 mm in diameter. In 1/72 scale it's quite big. Basic shape Pods will be secured via piece of copper wire Finished. Nav lights are missing, but I didn't forget about them. I also forgot about missile rails for R-73, since I moved them from wing tip.Looking at Begemot instructions and in the box, I figured that APU-170 rails intended for R-77 (which came in the box) are incorrect, but are similar to APU-73, that I need for my R-73. I just "turned around" upper parts, and did some sanding on front tip as in flight direction. Upper rail is original, lower is mine, corrected. In order to preserve alignment to the holes in wing underside, you need to fix cut parts to the wing first. Then you glue the rail itself. I also sanded horizontal stabilisers. Shape is accurate now, but it's undersized. I need to try it once more. Final detail for today is IFR probe. Test fit Comparison to IFR probe from Pavla. This is real IFR probe on bort 45. http://i741.photobuc...su-34f_0003.jpg And this is on bort 46. Notice the difference: on bort 45 probe is more submerged in the fuselage. http://i741.photobuc...Su34/051623.jpg Same on bort 48 and serial production 01 red http://i741.photobuc...u34/1389888.jpg 01 red http://i741.photobuc...u34/1707882.jpg http://i741.photobuc...Su34/010617.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Good to see progress is still being made on this, would have been a shame if being beat by GB deadline stopped you all together! Looking forward to seeing it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 This is a little work of art in 1/72 :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flankerman Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Great work so far - love the IFR probe! The Trumpeter Su-30MKK kit has a couple of nice Sorbtsiya pods....... .... and a spare set of stabliisers.... Keep it coming...... Ken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thkar Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Very nice work. I use Akan paints also and the results are very good. I bought my first bottles when I was traveling to Moscow couple of years back but then I found them in Greece and took plenty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 It's been a while from last update, I admit. But, there was "some" (or awesome if you prefer) progress. @Pin: buddy, when you're next time in Croatia, I'll buy you a drink! (see below for reason) @Flankerman: I appreciate your comments and tips, as a true Flanker legend. If you say it's good, then I have nothing to worry about My biggest headache were wheelbays, both front and main. If I wanted to do something about it, it was about time to do it. So, I waited for resin update from Olimp Resin Accessories (thanks Pin once again) and then ordered a larger package from Ukraine. I ordered: ICM 72212 Soviet Air-to-Air Aircraft Armament ICM 72213 Soviet Air-to-Surface Aircraft Armament ORA 72-12 Su-34 update set (2 pcs.) Begemot 72-048 Russian Air Force Insignia (type 2010) Begemot 72-049 Additional Russian Air Force Insigna (type 2010) In true spirit of Su-34, I decided to change this project again: I'll finish it as serial Su-34, but with non-standard (old) camouflage and full weapons load, as a ordinary Close-air-Support machine. Bort number is still to be desired. With resin set from ORA I can make both "01 red" and "05 red" but new decals are on the move: http://scalemodels.r...abrja-2012.html With full stencils, as good as my knowledge of Russian language helps me. Before I start with new stuff, just a reminder of what I've done before the package came. I brushed some paint on the weapons. Biggest headache is Milliput (see KAB-1500L below) it just shrinks after some time. So sneaky, I hate when this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Small review from ICM Air-to-Surface set. This is ICM APK-9 and mine. You can see ICM missed rear end. H-31: right at the spot. Italeri's are too long and bulky (fat) H-59M: has a rocket booster but lacks details in turbojet engine. H-29T and Italeri H-29L. ICM's H-29T missed any details in head seeker, same as H-59M and KAB-500Kr KAB-500Kr (below) and my KAB-1500L (top). In the middle is Italeri's bomb - whatever that is. It has body of 1500 kg-class bomb, laser guided head and rear stabilisers for 500 kg-class bomb. Another reason for this set is AKU-58 launcher (ICM on top and Italeri below), but only 4 units are available in this set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) Olimp Resin Accessories ORA 72-12 Su-34 update set This set will upgrade your preseries Su-34 to a standard production line Su-34 + some awesome stuff like newest ECM jammer pods, which you can't find anywhere else. It contains several light blue resin blocks, PE sheet and decals for: 1. "red 01", Ossetia, august 2008., non-standard camouflage http://www.airliners...66866fa6fea0c34 2. "red 05", Lipetsk, december 2010, standard camouflage http://www.airliners...66866fa6fea0c34 There are no reg. no (RF-000000). But new 5-point red star and small fleet no. for verticals, and and markings for army wing/department (in this case "VVS ROSSII") are provided on decal sheet. From this set I will not use following parts: - SAP-14 and two SAP-518 jammers. - aerodynamic fencers for upper wing - MBD3-U2TK bomb racks - I will also scratch my own ladders, instead of provided PE ladders. Will do my best to install provided fuel cell rack opened A few photos... KNIRTI SAP-14 Escort Jammer KNIRTI SAP-518 wing tip ECM pods (successors for L005 Sorbcya) Wheelbay covers Fuel cell rack MBD3 bomb racks New EO targeting system in opened position (closest to camera), below is same in closed position. Same block contains new substructure for centreline pylons. Mine are little curved. :shithappens: Edited December 4, 2012 by splinter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerUK9 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Ooo, I love a Fullback me! Ingenious idea to get the aerodynamic surfaces correct and it impresses me all the more that you're doing it in 1/72! Seriously looking forward to this build. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 Wheelbay comparison - resin front wheelbay is positioned incorrectly. my mistake. Some real WIP: main wheelbay being prepared for dry fit. Top is cut out already, lower is original. Notice that you need to cut almost to the main landing strut. Front wheelbay: I don't blame Italeri for this big difference. 20 years ago, when this airplane rolled out, there was little if any good reference. Dryfit Front part of main wheelbay covers, compared with Italeri. Centreline pylon: notice that new holes match old ones. I said I won't use new ECM jammers. But I want to show you my little update on SAP-14 (medicine needles for probe replacement) and SAP-518 compared with my Sorbcya pods and ICM Sorbcya pods (you get them with Air-to-Air set). ICM made positioning holes on the wrong side of Sorbcya pods. One thing that I noticed that is missing in ORA upgrade set is small antenna, which is positioned on starboard side, just behind the cockpit. You can see it here, as well as SAP-518 wing tip pods, aerodynamic fences on upper wings http://i741.photobuc...u34/2152611.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNoAF Aerobatic Team Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Just, WOW! Outstanding work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 First thing for today are some photos I forgot to add last time. Side-by-side comparison of Italeri and Olimp undercarriage covers. Here I would also like to add some references for modern weapons on Su-34. It's in Russian and Cyrillic but I'm sure you can understand it. Next thing is front wheelbay: Olimp part is fixed with Milliput. After it's dry, I removed all epoxy from front part, and chamfered front edge, because of resin cockpit from Pavla. Main wheelbay got some paint on cables. Next is fuel cell. I had no reference, so my first thought was not to install it at all. But later I changed my mind - I found this: http://i741.photobuc...34/12122012.jpg Anyway, panel lines on lower fuselage half is not correct for this fuel cell. So I took Milliput to fill in all panel lines and sanded away excess putty, around front wheelbay, in front of it and on the nose, as both upper and lower nose halves have no panels. Stinger, flaperons and slats are still to be sanded. To be continued in a moment ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Next tiny little detail are aerodynamic splitters in front of the canards. To repeat this picture: this is original from Italeri First step is to removed excess plastic between pencil marked lines. I sanded this area to get clean parabolic arc. At first separately, later with both fuselage halves joined. Some finished pictures you could see in the previous post, here are all others. Scratch material in this case is thin aluminium plate, flange from candle casings. Here is dryfit with scotch tape. Rear lower fuselage, between the engines: I removed old structure elements, for centreline stations. Then I filled several panels and sanded smooth, to be able to install new resin parts. BRB ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 Last detail for today is IFR probe housing. Will just repeat this photo, as a reminder what I did so far. Old housing was filled from both sides with epoxy and then I drilled with Dremel a narrow channel. IFR probe was scratchbuilt, too. Target was to get the probe half submerged into the fuselage and that the fuselage line all around IFR probe is spot on, as if it would be "laser" cut just for the probe. I filled the channel with fresh epoxy and flushed it with the fuselage. And while the epoxy was still fresh, I pressed the probe into the epoxy and removed it right away. Of course, epoxy was raised up, but this was expected to happen. After the epoxy got dry, I sanded excess putty to get smooth surface and clean edges. That's all for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rom1 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 IMPRESSIVE WORK!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinxman Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 tremendous stuff - love the way this project changes direction every so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 Last weekend we got a wave of warm weather for this part of year (+ 12 deg C) so I took this opportunity to do some airbrushing needed to continue my work. First, KAB-1500L got the same colour as APK-9: I'm quite happy with this shade. Also the repair work on KAB-1500L proved to be good. Fuselage underside and front wheelbay got some paint, too. I also installed EO targeting system and front part of new underside centreline . I cannot install rear part before I close the fuselage and attach the stinger. IFR area also got some paint to check if filling with epoxy and sanding was OK. Next thing was to rescribe filled area on the front underside. Some work in progress. Final result. Will try to repair some panels later. Intakes were glued, too. I opened the fuel cell panel: to thin/chamfer all edges I also used Dremel, as I couldn't access all areas with the scalpel. Despite all sanding before I glued the resin part from Olimp, the cockpit from Pavla got in the way. This problem was fixed with Dremel again, but I don't have pics here with me to show you results. You'll have to wait until next update. I wish you all merry Christmas and a happy New 2013! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 A few photos from last year, that I missed to upload.  Intakes were glued in position, filled and sanded, and filled again.   For KAB-1500L I decided to change the launcher: this is one from ICM box. I added 4 x Ø0.8 mm pieces of copper wire.   This is how it looks in combination with new centreline station structure.     And now a dryfit with KAB-1500L.        Following picture shows clearly that despite the size of KAB-1500L bomb, it leaves enough space to add another weapon system to fuselage station no.2. I was thinking about one R-77 missile.     Fuel cell box was big enigma: you can see how much of Pavla cockpit tube I removed in order not to interfere with Olimp fuel cell resin. I also filled and sanded holes for canards. I will drill new, clean ones, probably on the same place.   I did the same thing with openings for horizontal stabilisers, as I will replace original ones from Italeri. Italeri casted the fuselage halves so that you can place horizontals only in neutral position.     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 As described here before, I transfered the drawings of the vertical stabilisers to 1.5 mm thick styrene sheet.   Here you can see that I left 1.5-2 mm surpluss material on the leading and traliling edge, while in the root and on the tip of the verticals I cut exactly on the line. This extra styrene leaves me enough space for errors, while sanding.     After sanding.     You can see here that new support holes have been drilled next to the edge.     After sanding I airbrushed Alclad II Gloss Black Base on verticals and stinger    Starboard intake got loose, partially.   In the meantime I repaired all panels on the lower fuselage. Not perfect, but will do.   I also restored some panels on intakes.   I made a wash with these oil paints. Was not happy with results, so it ended in a combination of wash and drybrush. The problem was that I could not mix white and black as if they were from different manufacturer.   Here is one main wheelbay from Olimp already painted and with two layers of Future and another with wash. I also added several pieces of Ã˜0.3 mm silvered copper wire.       Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinter Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Since no one is commenting, here are a few more pics.  Wash on both main wheelbays + MM Dullcote.    First I glued them with CA glue.      Followed by epoxy.     I also played with the gun (PE parts from Olimp + gun barrel scratched from medicine needles). Sorry for not many photos - was busy with other stuff like closing the fuselage.    No space at all.    The best I could get with Dremel: got them wheelbays almost see through.   I also started to thin upper fuselage, but with no luck, either. At some moment I punched thru the skin, and this was the sign to jump to more radical "plan B".  I used Dremel to cut excess material according to pencil lines. Very radical, indeed.    You can see the gun on the picture above. The gun is also visible on the following pictures.  Eventually, I closed the fuselage and blended missing outer skin with epoxy.        Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowler0000 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 OK, I`ll comment: STUNNING!!!  Really love the Flanker, even this "duck-bill" variant.  I look forward to more progress, after reading this thread from the beginning.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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