ciuncky Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hello everybody, I am currently working on a 1/32 P-51D, and as I said in the WIP thread, I want to build it without fuselage. The problem is that I want to add the auxiliary fuel tanks, so there goes the questions: 1. Is the identified position correct? Not that the position of the arrows is fine, just that it has to be mounted on that rail? 2. Any good pictures of internal structure that might show where the tiny fuel pipe (D-19 in the picture) may lead (i have a certain thought that it goes through the bottom of the main fuel tanks, but not sure about that). As I really do want to scratch it instead of just leaving it there to hang. Any help will be greatly appreciated, either by pictures or titles of a book (not too darn expensive) that might have such pictures? Apparently Google turned up with nothing useful, or I might just have lost my patience after dealing with him on a daily basis for my diss. Thanks in advance guys, Cheerios! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 Oh God, how can i be that stupid??? Just saw the tiny bottom view from left of the page, so that should be between the mid and outer machine guns. So basically to the right of the masking tape, but those parts are so thin...not really sure could support the weight. Still, questions stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 'Zis help?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 'Zis help?? Might help a bit, it's close to the one in the building instructions. Got a better idea, but still risky to mount the rack to the rails between machine guns. And yet, no idea where those pipes lead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Huh? I'm fairly sure the engineers at North American had a pretty good idea what they were doing. What pipes are you talking about? There was a fuel line and a pressure line leading to the tank. They went from the tank to the fittings in the wing visible as circles just ahead of the leading edge of the pylon on my drawing.. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Huh? I'm fairly sure the engineers at North American had a pretty good idea what they were doing. What pipes are you talking about? There was a fuel line and a pressure line leading to the tank. They went from the tank to the fittings in the wing visible as circles just ahead of the leading edge of the pylon on my drawing..J Yeap, about those two lines i'm talking. It's perfectly true from tank to the wing. The problem is INSIDE the wing, as i will have the skeleton without any external coating/fuselage/"aluminium" So i need to know which way those lines are heading inside the wing Sorry if i didn't explained properly from the first attempt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Cox Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) Hello ciuncky, Here are some crops taken from some Toni Frissell photographs of the 332nd Fighter Group, United States Army Air Force at Ramitelli, Italy during March of 1945. Larger images of what is shown above can be found here, I hope they are of some use to you. Cheers, Daniel. Edited June 27, 2012 by Daniel Cox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy1 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 don't know about him but sure helped me Thanks Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hello cluncky,Here are some crops taken from some Toni Frissell photographs of the 332nd Fighter Group, United States Army Air Force at Ramitelli, Italy during March of 1945. Larger images of what is shown above can be found here, I hope they are of some use to you. Cheers, Daniel. Hey, thanks for your time. Those pics are quite valuable, But i'm still looking for an inside view of the wing frames and pipes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1875 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Hey, thanks for your time. Those pics are quite valuable,But i'm still looking for an inside view of the wing frames and pipes Just had a search on the web and the following will give you a good indication, though for confirmation it may be worthwhile buying the set of blueprints: http://aviationshoppe.com/p51d-mustang-p-249.html I do have the Bert Kintzy excellent books at home and will check them out later to see if they can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H1875 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Just had a search on the web and the following will give you a good indication, though for confirmation it may be worthwhile buying the set of blueprints:http://aviationshoppe.com/p51d-mustang-p-249.html I do have the Bert Kintzy excellent books at home and will check them out later to see if they can help Actually, just found the following that provides pretty good drawings and you do not need to buy the blueprint.. http://mustang51.com/51drawings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Actually, just found the following that provides pretty good drawings and you do not need to buy the blueprint.. http://mustang51.com/51drawings Mate, you are GOLD. Thanks a lot! Will keep you guys updated on the WIP section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Fuel lines lead to the fuel selector valve in the cockpit. From there the line goes to the carburetor (sorry, carburettor to you guys). The fuel system on a Mustang is the picture of simplicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 Fuel lines lead to the fuel selector valve in the cockpit. From there the line goes to the carburetor (sorry, carburettor to you guys). The fuel system on a Mustang is the picture of simplicity. Hey there Jen, this is a much better view and closer to what I was looking for. Still, a question if you might help. Fron the tank, there are 2 different lines: 1 - leads to the cockpit (as shown in the image) 2 - ??? I assume it goes to the main wing tanks, or something like that? Or directly to carburet(t)or ? Or actually BOTH lines get to cockpit and from there towards carburet(t)or? Thanks for your time spent to enlighten me, mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If you want to know where & how the pipes are channeled in the wings, I think you need to talk to a ground engineer or a re-build group. Failing that, does this help? http://p51h.home.comcast.net/~p51h/sig/TO/01-60J-34.pdf source: http://p51h.home.comcast.net/~p51h/sig/sig.htm There's a photo of the fuel selector switch here: http://www.flyingheritage.com/TemplateMain.aspx?contentId=97 Tanks are clearly used one at a time, independantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 If you want to know where & how the pipes are channeled in the wings, I think you need to talk to a ground engineer or a re-build group.Failing that, does this help? http://p51h.home.comcast.net/~p51h/sig/TO/01-60J-34.pdf source: http://p51h.home.comcast.net/~p51h/sig/sig.htm There's a photo of the fuel selector switch here: http://www.flyingheritage.com/TemplateMain.aspx?contentId=97 Tanks are clearly used one at a time, independantly. Thanks for reply, Yes "where and how" was the simple way to express the question! Probably there are little chances to meet a ground engineer or anything like that, so poctires are my last hope. I already started to get a better idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stuart Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Thanks for reply,Yes "where and how" was the simple way to express the question! Probably there are little chances to meet a ground engineer or anything like that, so poctires are my last hope. I already started to get a better idea! If you go to airshows, see if you can get chatting to the support people - it's not just the pilots who want to show off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Thanks for reply,Yes "where and how" was the simple way to express the question! Probably there are little chances to meet a ground engineer or anything like that, so poctires are my last hope. I already started to get a better idea! There is a chap on ARC who is involved in rebuilding P-51s. Ask your question there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 There is a chap on ARC who is involved in rebuilding P-51s. Ask your question there. Thanks a lot Chuck, this definitely saved me. Will give it a try, thanks everyone for your kind and useful replies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tourist Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 This should help: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennings Heilig Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 The answer to your question is, it's a tank pressurization line. There was no other way to get the fuel out of the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciuncky Posted June 29, 2012 Author Share Posted June 29, 2012 This should help: Now, THAT'S exactly what i was looking for! Thanks a lot man...saved the day! It's really nice that the section of pipes that go next to the wing tanks are actually moulded on the tanks. Nice... Cheers everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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