AnonymousDFB1 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Will appear here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuts Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 (edited) Hi guys, & welcome to the CAS GB.....just some simple rules.......... All aircraft from the first CAS was flown (Great war ) to todays UAV's including rotary winged No kit to be more then 25% built at the start date.. kits can be streight out of box or as much AM goodies as you want.. No limits on how many entries you care to enter.. All aircraft entred must have/are being used in the CAS role & carry a CAS loadout. Andy Edited June 30, 2012 by smuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardtarget Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I gather most modern jets are ok so are CAG aircraft eligable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo1974 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 So i'll ask again....Does the finished model have to show a CAS weapons load??????? Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuts Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 So i'll ask again....Does the finished model have to show a CAS weapons load???????Gary Hi Gary, best way to show em loaded to the teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 How are we actually defining CAS, please? Apologies if this is re-treading old ground. I have no particular axe to grind, I'm just surprised at some of the aircraft types that have flown the CAS mission. This is the Wikipedia definition: In military tactics, close air support (CAS) is defined as air action by fixed or rotary winged aircraft against hostile targets that are close to friendly forces, and which requires detailed integration of each air mission with fire and movement of these forces. The determining factor for CAS is detailed integration, not proximity. Given that 'everything' is now integrated digitally, the last part of definition becomes unworkable. The first part is undermined by that vague word, 'close' - how damned close? Close enough for the occasional friendly fire incident? Within visual range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo1974 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 It was something i asked to be clarified in the original discussion thread but nobody seemed to want to answer the question.... What makes a aircraft a CAS GB eligible subject.....i'm guessing pre Vietnam we are looking at just Fighter Bomber types plus Stuka's etc. But modern subjects with modern guided weapons is open to interpretation,as any type from UAV's to B-52's can and do preform the CAS role thesedays..... I guess we either run every single build idea by the GB Mods......or just say stuff it this is what im building for the GB now lets get on and enjoy it! Gary......whos has plans for a A-7 Corsair and F-16C..... How are we actually defining CAS, please? Apologies if this is re-treading old ground. I have no particular axe to grind, I'm just surprised at some of the aircraft types that have flown the CAS mission.This is the Wikipedia definition: In military tactics, close air support (CAS) is defined as air action by fixed or rotary winged aircraft against hostile targets that are close to friendly forces, and which requires detailed integration of each air mission with fire and movement of these forces. The determining factor for CAS is detailed integration, not proximity. Given that 'everything' is now integrated digitally, the last part of definition becomes unworkable. The first part is undermined by that vague word, 'close' - how damned close? Close enough for the occasional friendly fire incident? Within visual range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsPhil Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I guess the key is an aircraft that's been used to support Ground forces, not just bomb a target. I was previously thinking about building a French Jaguar, that took part in operations in Chad, but they attacked an airfield so I thought that wasn't really a CAS mission. How about for the modern stuff building a jet thats actually been involved (ie correct unit or Serial number) rather than just an aircraft type because one once supported ground troops? Just a thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertie McBoatface Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 this is what im building for the GB now lets get on and enjoy it! Yeah, I'm all for enjoying it. And for freedom to interpret the term. Someone could even do one of the Lancs used in daylight raids in Normandy. Some of them were pretty close to the ground troops they were supporting, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousDFB1 Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 At this stage I don't want to overrule the host of this GB. However my view is that the aircraft must have been using in the ground attack/close air support role. So you can have a P-51 Mustang as long as it say in Korean War colours from a unit that flew CAS missions and not in WW2 bomber escort colours. I think gentlemen, that you will need to show your evidence with every entry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuts Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 At this stage I don't want to overrule the host of this GB. However my view is that the aircraft must have been using in the ground attack/close air support role. So you can have a P-51 Mustang as long as it say in Korean War colours from a unit that flew CAS missions and not in WW2 bomber escort colours. I think gentlemen, that you will need to show your evidence with every entry. Hi Mish, you're right to say about P51's in Korea, but more Spit's & Stangs were lost after the 6th of June flying CAS then in air to air combat! the GB will cover all aircraft types that were/are being used in the close air support/ tactical air role from the very first Biplanes over the trench's to todays UAV's..... Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXGR1 Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) Oh....just saw this GB, would like to enter..... Just got a Question. I have a 1/48 Revell F-15E, that I started on the 23-7, that I'd like to build here.......I have completed the Nose section and Just put the top and bottom fuselage pieces together this afternoon...........I would put it now at about 30% as of today. But can I enter it now, having just contacted you ? "Oh the Morality" Edited August 5, 2012 by IXGR1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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