Bonhoff Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Here's a photo of the car post event The reason that she needs restoration now is that the engine bay caught fire several weeks later - Not a total loss but I could do with a KUTA to get her sorted. Or are we talking about the Mk1 Escort Kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 It was the Skoda I meant (I have a couple of the Airfix Escort kits too!) as I really like all the Skoda 100/105/110 & 120 range, always thought they had bags of character! (and never really held with all the jokes about Skoda's reliability having seen what John Haugland could do in his class with one on the RAC Rally every year!) Shame about the fire, but hope you get that KUTA soon, as she looks like a great car!! Thanks for posting the pic Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey58 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I have always liked the Skodas-on one Road Rally I did there was an ex-works Skoda,think it was also a soon to be ex-car judging by the smoke from the exhaust!I've seen one or two of those with Ford X-Flows in the back too. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I've seen one or two of those with Ford X-Flows in the back too. A lad round our way ended up owning one of our old rally cars and put an X-Flow in it - Never went as well as he'd hoped. Not sure what the weight difference is between the cast iron X-flow and the die cast aluminium Skoda block but my own personal feeling is that the extra power would have been mitigated by the shear tailhappyness of it all. Only X-flow powered one I saw that worked was a 1600cc one in the welsh borders area. The driver was very talented though. Apologies if I've hijacked the thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Apologies if I've hijacked the thread..... Think I may have started that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Smith Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Group B Rally cars. Would Airfix or Revell ever tread these waters? Sounds as though there would be enough interest! Some nice 1/24th scale kits by either manufacturer would be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Group B Rally cars. Would Airfix or Revell ever tread these waters? Sounds as though there would be enough interest! Some nice 1/24th scale kits by either manufacturer would be nice! I wish. Can't see it happening though. Hasegawa announced a Delta S4 about 10 years ago & that still hasn't happened! And personally I'd like a good injected 1/24 scale Mk1 Escort first please...!! Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonhoff Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Only mainstream Grp B cars available that spring to mind in 1/24th are.... Tamiya Peugeot 205 T16 Tamiya Audi Quattro - It's the original quattro so that might class as the old Grp 4 Hasegawa Lancia Rallye 037 Renault 5 Turbo It's a bit better in 1/43rd - Heller did a few - Peugeot 205 T16 E2, Renault 5 Turbo and Lancia Delta S4 are the ones that spring to mind - I'll take some photos of mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 John Haugland!!!,now there's a name. It must've been the early 80's. We'd been to one of Trentham Gardens Specials and were heading to the main service area at the Post House. Near the A34/A500 roundabout,there was a small service station back then. Skoda were using it as their service point and as we approached JH wanted to pull out onto the A34 in the works car(120 Rapide Coupe IIRC). I duly flashed the lights and let him out infront of me to pull up behind him at the next traffic lights. Cue "Spotty 'Erbert"in a Mk3 'Scort XR3,who pulls up alongside Mr Haugland and begins to blip the throttle(it's only a Skoda right?,a 'Scort XR3 will blow it right off yes?). The results were quite spectacular to say the least. Green light,boot,pop clutch and away.......went the Skoda. Coupla puffs of smoke as JH nailed it through the gears and he's away up the A500 on ramp and off to the M6. Spotty's XR3 on the other hand was still wheelspinning trying to get off the line Didn't help when an old Cortina 16E with 130bhp under the lid also rasped away from him with total ease and distain (that was me heh-heh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yep, those works Skoda's were really quick for 1300's - & superb traction too with their 'Porsche 911' drivetrain layout! Great story Miggers! Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) John Haugland!!!,now there's a name. It must've been the early 80's. We'd been to one of Trentham Gardens Specials and were heading to the main service area at the Post House. Near the A34/A500 roundabout,there was a small service station back then. Skoda were using it as their service point and as we approached JH wanted to pull out onto the A34 in the works car(120 Rapide Coupe IIRC). I duly flashed the lights and let him out infront of me to pull up behind him at the next traffic lights. Cue "Spotty 'Erbert"in a Mk3 'Scort XR3,who pulls up alongside Mr Haugland and begins to blip the throttle(it's only a Skoda right?,a 'Scort XR3 will blow it right off yes?). The results were quite spectacular to say the least. Green light,boot,pop clutch and away.......went the Skoda. Coupla puffs of smoke as JH nailed it through the gears and he's away up the A500 on ramp and off to the M6. Spotty's XR3 on the other hand was still wheelspinning trying to get off the line Didn't help when an old Cortina 16E with 130bhp under the lid also rasped away from him with total ease and distain (that was me heh-heh) Of course , this was as much to do with the XR3 being a crap car as it did the Skoda & 1600E being good ones !!!! Back in the late 1980s , we used to have great fun upsetting XR3 drivers though - my mate Derek Carless had one of the fastest road rally cars in the country , a rear wheel drive Mk3 Escort with an all-steel Dave Brooks 2.3 Pinto giving around 230 brake , but when they banned signwriting for the 1988 season it was repainted plain Sunburst Red & , since it had no bodykit & just one of Ford's little aftermarket spoliers on the tailgate , the XR3 drivers used to think it was a 1300 . Until the lights went green , of course , at which point they rapidly became a little speck in the rear view mirror . Here's a pic of the beast the year before Edited October 15, 2012 by rs2man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Seems everybody used to enjoy picking on XR3 drivers! I also used to have fun upsetting the Golf GTi boys in their brand new toys with my flat front, unarched, no spoilers, Escort Mk2 1600 Sport. The engine no longer being the weedy standard 86bhp engine, but an all steel 1760, half race cam, bvh crossflow running twin 45's & putting out 182 brake - I couldn't quite get 100 brake more than standard! And as it was probably 200 kilo's lighter than a Golf with so much better traction (5 link rear end too!) .....!! It had been even quicker in the Mk1 Mexico I'd taken it out of, but that was probably 200 kilos lighter again - due to all the rust!! 6 years old & rotten as a pear. The good old days...!!! I always liked the RWD 'modern' Escorts, especially the big arched Gartrac Mk4's that the Irish boys seem so fond of. I have an old AMT XR3 kit that I intend to build as one of those. One day...!! Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Seems everybody used to enjoy picking on XR3 drivers! I also used to have fun upsetting the Golf GTi boys in their brand new toys with my flat front, unarched, no spoilers, Escort Mk2 1600 Sport. The engine no longer being the weedy standard 86bhp engine, but an all steel 1760, half race cam, bvh crossflow running twin 45's & putting out 182 brake - I couldn't quite get 100 brake more than standard! And as it was probably 200 kilo's lighter than a Golf with so much better traction (5 link rear end too!) .....!! It had been even quicker in the Mk1 Mexico I'd taken it out of, but that was probably 200 kilos lighter again - due to all the rust!! 6 years old & rotten as a pear. The good old days...!!! I always liked the RWD 'modern' Escorts, especially the big arched Gartrac Mk4's that the Irish boys seem so fond of. I have an old AMT XR3 kit that I intend to build as one of those. One day...!! Keef If you're referring to the Mk 1 Golf GTI , it's actually surprisingly light - little heavier than a 205 GTI . We had one in at the garage a few weeks ago & till I saw it I'd forgotten how tiny it was . Got bigger & heavier with each new mark though . You did well to get 182 brake from a crossflow - must have gone like the clappers . My RS2's got 150 & that's pretty rapid . As regards the Mk 3 rwd conversion , I've actually built 2 using the Revell XR3 kit's bodyshell , with the Esci RS1800 floorpan & running gear . Had to shorten the floorpan in the middle , but the rest of it was pretty straightforward . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) If you're referring to the Mk 1 Golf GTI , it's actually surprisingly light - little heavier than a 205 GTI . We had one in at the garage a few weeks ago & till I saw it I'd forgotten how tiny it was . Got bigger & heavier with each new mark though . You did well to get 182 brake from a crossflow - must have gone like the clappers . My RS2's got 150 & that's pretty rapid . You're quite right! I knew they were much smaller & lighter than the bloated follow on models, but until I just googled I didn't realise they were the same weight as a Mk2 Escort!! My Sport was fully stripped, but did have a full FIA cage, so that negated much of the weight saving. Must have all been down to the engine & rear end (I won't say '& driver'...!!). And I can't really take credit for the motor, all I did was put it together (carefully), all the machining being done by a friend of mine. I should still have the dyno sheets somewhere (although I can't find them or the piccies of the car unfortunately), & was really pleased with that power figure, especially as I tuned the carbs myself - thought I would have done more harm than good doing that!! But then, who knows how accurate the dyno was??!! (the 1293 Mini that my son & I have now has dyno sheets showing 101 BHP, but while its pretty quick I'm not 100% sure of those!) I do know the Sport was much quicker than the RS2 I had after it which was just running a big valve head & 40 carbs on a standard bottom end. I was thinking after the last post though that all 'encounters' with other cars didn't always have the desired result! One of my most memorable red faces was on the way back after spectating on an RAC Rally. I saw what I thought was just another Lancia Delta HF coming up in the mirror so decided to try & lose it. Only to have it come flying past on the first straight we came to, when I realised (as it disappeared into the distance) that it was a brand new Integrale!! D'oh....!! Keef Edited October 15, 2012 by keefr22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey58 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Great picture-so which way was he coming from?! I remember reading about him in Motoring News 'back in the day'-quite successful if I remember.One day when I was marshalling on an event somewhere near the A1-I was in my beloved Mk2 RS2 when a 911 went past-well, it would have been rude to not offer him some company.Pretty std,my RS put out 110bhp so the 911 would shoot past on the straight (dual carriageway) but then I'd catch up at the roundabouts-loads of them,outbrake him,go past on the roundabout and eke out a lead-and so on,all good fun,not a happy 911 driver who eventually put his foot down and sped off into the distance on a long straight. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Great picture-so which way was he coming from?! I remember reading about him in Motoring News 'back in the day'-quite successful if I remember.One day when I was marshalling on an event somewhere near the A1-I was in my beloved Mk2 RS2 when a 911 went past-well, it would have been rude to not offer him some company.Pretty std,my RS put out 110bhp so the 911 would shoot past on the straight (dual carriageway) but then I'd catch up at the roundabouts-loads of them,outbrake him,go past on the roundabout and eke out a lead-and so on,all good fun,not a happy 911 driver who eventually put his foot down and sped off into the distance on a long straight. Mike Glad you liked it . He'd come from the left to an uphill hairpin right . At that point he'd just come off the handbrake & was putting the power down to accelerate away . I witnessed it first-hand - I'm stood in the crowd at the right hand side , wearing a red & blue jacket & carrying a torch . It was the JJ Brown Memorial Rally in 1987 , the next event after Derek's finest hour , his win on the Cilwendeg . He should have won the JJ Brown too , but slid off into a ditch & lost a couple of minutes while the spectators helped him extricate the car . Dave Orrick's book Night Moves has a set of top-five times for every selective & Carless/Forrester were fastest on all but one . You're quite right! I knew they were much smaller & lighter than the bloated follow on models, but until I just googled I didn't realise they were the same weight as a Mk2 Escort!! My Sport was fully stripped, but did have a full FIA cage, so that negated much of the weight saving. Must have all been down to the engine & rear end (I won't say '& driver'...!!). And I can't really take credit for the motor, all I did was put it together (carefully), all the machining being done by a friend of mine. I should still have the dyno sheets somewhere (although I can't find them or the piccies of the car unfortunately), & was really pleased with that power figure, especially as I tuned the carbs myself - thought I would have done more harm than good doing that!! But then, who knows how accurate the dyno was??!! (the 1293 Mini that my son & I have now has dyno sheets showing 101 BHP, but while its pretty quick I'm not 100% sure of those!) I do know the Sport was much quicker than the RS2 I had after it which was just running a big valve head & 40 carbs on a standard bottom end. I was thinking after the last post though that all 'encounters' with other cars didn't always have the desired result! One of my most memorable red faces was on the way back after spectating on an RAC Rally. I saw what I thought was just another Lancia Delta HF coming up in the mirror so decided to try & lose it. Only to have it come flying past on the first straight we came to, when I realised (as it disappeared into the distance) that it was a brand new Integrale!! D'oh....!! Keef Sounds like the Sport was in a very interesting spec & you must have done a god job with the carbs to get that 182 brake . I had a Sport as well , though mine , whilst caged , still had a full interior & only had a standard engine . Great fun , but much slower than the RS2 . Know what you mean about less-than-sucessful encounters - had my bottom kicked from time to time , but you've still got to try !!!! Happens every time I take the RS2 out in the rain - it'll put up a good fight against most things in the dry , but in the wet it just spins the wheels & I reckon I could get taken by a decently-ridden butcher's bike . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuprar Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) It's funny how the traffic light races still go on. My friends Kevin and Gary are both running over 400bhp in their mk2 escorts. It's funny seeing them up the pod leaving Lambos ECT in the tyre smoke. Will post some links up in a moment when I find them Kevin's RS2000 And here is his brothers Gary's 1600 sport Edited October 15, 2012 by cuprar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Glad you liked it . He'd come from the left to an uphill hairpin right . At that point he'd just come off the handbrake & was putting the power down to accelerate away . I witnessed it first-hand - I'm stood in the crowd at the right hand side , wearing a red & blue jacket & carrying a torch . It was the JJ Brown Memorial Rally in 1987 , the next event after Derek's finest hour , his win on the Cilwendeg . He should have won the JJ Brown too , but slid off into a ditch & lost a couple of minutes while the spectators helped him extricate the car . Dave Orrick's book Night Moves has a set of top-five times for every selective & Carless/Forrester were fastest on all but one . Sounds like the Sport was in a very interesting spec & you must have done a god job with the carbs to get that 182 brake . I had a Sport as well , though mine , whilst caged , still had a full interior & only had a standard engine . Great fun , but much slower than the RS2 . Know what you mean about less-than-sucessful encounters - had my bottom kicked from time to time , but you've still got to try !!!! Happens every time I take the RS2 out in the rain - it'll put up a good fight against most things in the dry , but in the wet it just spins the wheels & I reckon I could get taken by a decently-ridden butcher's bike . You need to 5 link the back end - then you could outrun everything up to a well teamed tandem...!! 180-185 brake really was about the upper limit for a 1760 cf & I was dead chuffed to see the sheets showing it, especially as my mate who'd done all the machining had a same spec engine in his & it 'only' put out 178...!! He wasn't best pleased so had his all stripped down for a rebuild the following week!! The motor was fantastic in the Mk1 Mex it was originally built for, but I really loved that Sport, probably my favourite of all the Escorts I had, as well as the motor it had a quaife box, 4.1 (??) LSD in a 'baby' Atlas, genuine 6J mag. Minilites, bias pedal box, the 5 link rear end, Bilsteins & tarmac springs all round, all in a bog standard looking Sport body - I even took the stripes off for a while before I thought it looked too boring & put a new set on! The thing is that spec would be mega bucks now, but in the late 70's it was all as cheap as chips, as it could be all be easily bought second hand & rebuilt/refurbed if needed. Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs2man Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 You need to 5 link the back end - then you could outrun everything up to a well teamed tandem...!! 180-185 brake really was about the upper limit for a 1760 cf & I was dead chuffed to see the sheets showing it, especially as my mate who'd done all the machining had a same spec engine in his & it 'only' put out 178...!! He wasn't best pleased so had his all stripped down for a rebuild the following week!! The motor was fantastic in the Mk1 Mex it was originally built for, but I really loved that Sport, probably my favourite of all the Escorts I had, as well as the motor it had a quaife box, 4.1 (??) LSD in a 'baby' Atlas, genuine 6J mag. Minilites, bias pedal box, the 5 link rear end, Bilsteins & tarmac springs all round, all in a bog standard looking Sport body - I even took the stripes off for a while before I thought it looked too boring & put a new set on! The thing is that spec would be mega bucks now, but in the late 70's it was all as cheap as chips, as it could be all be easily bought second hand & rebuilt/refurbed if needed. Keef Yeah , I’m sure it’d be better 5-linked , but I don’t really want to start chopping big holes in the floor . It’s only around 150 brake anyway , so it’s not really worth it except for the occasional mucking about in the rain . I’d have to agree that 180-185 brake is about as much as you’ll get from a 1760 – you MIGHT get more , but it’d have to be on a really wild cam & it’d be nigh-on undriveable . I think your mate was being a bit extreme re-doing his engine for the sake of 4 bhp – apart from anything else , such a variation could be down to variations in the dyno , or different weather conditions on the day . You’re right about the cost of building a Sport like yours nowadays – all those bits are an absolute fortune . At the garage we’re currently building an RS2 for a mate & the cost is just ridiculous . I built him an English axle with a Tran-X plate lsd fitted with Atlas side gears , one of those Quaife uprated hub & halfshaft kits & a rear disc conversion & there’s well over a grandsworth of bits in it . It’s all the silly little bits that are the real pain though , like the lower A-post kick panels , those little machine screws that hold in the instrument cluster , the switch panel etc , sunvisor arms etc etc . Back in the 1980s & early 90s we used to break Mk 1 & 2 Escorts & I know we threw loads of that stuff away because it wasn’t worth anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey58 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I built a Mk2 for Road events-all stripped out,got the shell from a scrap yard and collected loads of bits over time to put on it.I added lower trailing arms for the axle and a panhard rod-that had the turret welded to the boot floor-after 3 events the turret started tearing the boot floor out-shows how much side load went through the axle-so strengthening plates were added,that solved that.Also for cheapness the windows were perspex-but only 3mm thick-from a shower screen,got away with that at scrutineering! Yep,got the Night Moves book-good it is too,fond memories of a happy era! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Yep,got the Night Moves book-good it is too,fond memories of a happy era! Mike RS2 man piqued my interest about that book, as to be honest I'd not heard of it. So did a quick google & only found one copy for sale, used on Amazon for £400!! Think I'll have to give that a miss, it's more than a set of Yoko's for the Mini!! another quick book about the MN championship, albeit only covering the 1970-73 seasons (maybe the 'glory' years?) is Memory Lanes by Peter Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) You’re right about the cost of building a Sport like yours nowadays – all those bits are an absolute fortune . Not to mention the cost (or even finding) a good Sport these days, all MK1's & 2's are going through the roof, but the last decent looking Sport I saw went for £15K...! I seem to recall paying £425 for mine!! K Edited October 15, 2012 by keefr22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It's funny how the traffic light races still go on. My friends Kevin and Gary are both running over 400bhp in their mk2 escorts. Cool (& bl**dy quick!!) cars!! But I'm too old fashioned, turbos in Mk1's & 2's just aren't right...!! k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey58 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Keefr-you can have my copy for £350-saving £50-bargain! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuprar Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Here is Kev and gals new project, hope you like. Should be pushing out 600-700bhp Here is Kev and gals mk2 escorts together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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