paul178 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Copied and pasted from another forum, sheer madness! http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=115793 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I thought this nonsense had died the death it deserved. Apparently not. This country really has gone to the dogs when they can waste time & money on this sort of crap. They really should find something better to do with their time.... Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybookcase Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Copied and pasted from another forum, sheer madness!http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=115793 I was thinking of doing a painting of a certain British aircraft(I'm afraid to specify which one in case I get sued), does this mean that I will be in breach of copyright if I do so? BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I was thinking of doing a painting of a certain British aircraft(I'm afraid to specify which one in case I get sued), does this mean that I will be in breach of copyright if I do so? BB As someone mentioned on the other thread - are they going to sue every artist that exhibits a painting of a RAF/RN/Army aircraft in this years Guild of Aviation artists show? I somehow doubt it..... Keef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mxyzptlk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I suppse with the Defence cuts, they had to figure out another way to get the money they need to have a vaguely serviceable airforce. How long before the kit manufacturers find it uneconmic (due to licensing costs) to produce models of British aircraft with British markings. I suspect this could hit the limited run kit industry pretty hard. Will there be a time when a kit is released of a British aircraft with no markings to keep the cost down. If as is found in some models a roundel is produced with just the Blue and White, with the Red being a separate "dot" on the sheet, is that infringing the copyright as the roundel is then not necessarily a British one (if other centres were provided). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I thought this nonsense had died the death it deserved. I thought so too. I remember reading that there had been a test case regarding the roundel appearing on some "mod" style clothing. The court ruled that the roundel had been used as a fashion icon for too long for anyone to now claim it was intellectual property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocksAway Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 This reminds me of a very old joke ... What do you call 50 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? ... A good start! I'd be interested to know if the MoD registered the design before it was first used or within 12 months of its first public use. If they didn't, can it be registered under copyright law? In a period where we are bordering on recession it seems we can always find work to increase the misery of the majority of the people at the expense of a few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul178 Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 Any willing decal manufacturer fancy making a few sets of Luftwaffe markings for my Spitfires and Hurricanes? I will put a hold on finishing my Fairey Battle for now until I am sure I wont be dragged off to the nick! Japanese Beufighter anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMChladek Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Talk about a joke gone horribly wrong, MoD really has their craniums pretty far up their rears with this one. Lord willing, after enough outrage is expressed, things might end up dying down. I have a feeling the ramping up of things is probably related to the London Olympics as the government tries to get their grubby paws on as much tax revenue as they can for the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phartycr0c Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) I'd be interested to know if the MoD registered the design before it was first used or within 12 months of its first public use. If they didn't, can it be registered under copyright law? That's the irony, the MOD attempted and failed to get the markings copyrighted a couple of years ago therefore this is another poor attempt at litigation which is destined to fail at great expense to the taxpayer. Consider this, every photo taken of British military aircraft taken infringes this copyright if it is posted for others to see.......oh yes that's right, there is no cash involved in posing on a forum but just try putting them up for sale! The manufacturers of any after market decal sheet would be liable, ad nauseum. This is an indication of the litigant mentality of the corporate lawyers only in this case aggravated because they are using taxpayers money for the court case! Edited March 29, 2012 by Phartycr0c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Kunac-Tabinor Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 It must be a great relief to the many thousands of our service personnel currently engaged on operations that their actions and sacrifices enable civil servants like this to sleep safely in their beds a'night, get up and go to work to produce such crass stupidity as this. Now we know what we are fighting for lads! The MOD's right to charge copyright! Perhaps the MOD might look to save money instead by making its bloated, inefficient and possibly corrupt procurement sytem work well enough that kit our chaps need might be ordered efficiently and quickly, and to ensure it works and is fit for purpose? Nah -pipe dream - far easier to fleece the public for a few shekkels on the back of some idiotic copyright law. Good grief Jonners MOD - Ministry of Richardheads 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Bureaocrats....This is moronic. Should I take the roundels off the planes in my paintings? Strictly speaking...this would apply to model aircraft as well, decal manufacturers and all. Edited March 29, 2012 by seadog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 @Jonners; Excellent post Jon, that sums it up absolutely perfectly! Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) I just won't do any more RAF or British military aircraft anymore! As has been said above, this country has gone to the dogs ,,,or worse! Edited March 29, 2012 by Paul J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 @Jonners;Excellent post Jon, that sums it up absolutely perfectly! Keef +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I just won't do any more RAF or British military aircraft anymore! As said above this coutry has gone to the dogs ,,,or worse! You'd better change your avatar too....!! K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) You'd better change your avatar too....!!K I just might! It looks like the looney left have penetrated the looney right!!! Edited March 29, 2012 by Paul J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehnz Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Sounds more like the looneys are running the asylum. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius at Home Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I seriously doubt that whatever royalty and license fees the MOD Copyright Gestapo manage to raise will be wiped out many many times over by the finaincial black hole that is defence procurement. Still it enables another level of incompetance to be added to an already defunct department. Shakespeare was right about what to do with Lawyers. Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidelvy Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 I thought we must be taking the lead from the Americans on this as they are the litigation society par excellence. But no. It seems that in the US most government logos are automatically public domain - which seems refreshingly sensible. From reading more it would seem that the MOD are not able to claim copyright in the roundel (though a bit of sabre rattling may scare off a few users) but are claiming copyright for unit badges and that corporate logo which is getting stuck on things like display aircraft and UAVs. What they hope to gain from it I really don't know. They may get a little bit of money, but as for protecting their "brand" I suspect they will achieve the opposite effect. As for blaming "lawyers" the MOD legal advisers may advise the MOD on what rights they can enforce, but the final decision will be an economic/moral/practical one made by a civil servant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Unbelivable !!! Edited March 29, 2012 by goose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 From reading more it would seem that the MOD are not able to claim copyright in the roundel (though a bit of sabre rattling may scare off a few users) but are claiming copyright for unit badges and that corporate logo which is getting stuck on things like display aircraft and UAVs. The nasty cynic in me wonders whether the whole point of slapping that ghastly corporate logo onto RAF aircraft is so that breach of copyright can then be claimed for any image featuring it. Haven't heard the same arguments being made re the Royal Navy: presumably they are more sensible. Another good reason, if one were needed, for modelling the FAA instead. BTW this sort of issue is not entirely new. John Rawlings' Fighter Squadrons of the RAF has reproductions of all the squadron badges (as you might expect). His follow-up Coastal, Support and Special Squadrons (1982) does not: "It is my great regret that we have had to omit the squadron badges from this volume owing to the disproportionate reproduction fees now charged". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrim_UK Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Seem to remember same kind of thing with the Simulation IL2 years ago who decided just to remove some American planes from the sim. (like the TBF avenger) Its not just a British thing. Big merrycan companies are at it as well. Cant help but feel a a sense of sensationalism with these stories. harumph harumph harumph. I didn't get a "harrumph" out of that guy! Edited March 29, 2012 by Pilgrim_UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 BTW this sort of issue is not entirely new. John Rawlings' Fighter Squadrons of the RAF has reproductions of all the squadron badges (as you might expect). His follow-up Coastal, Support and Special Squadrons (1982) does not: "It is my great regret that we have had to omit the squadron badges from this volume owing to the disproportionate reproduction fees now charged". Could that be something to do with the College of Heraldry (or whatever it be called)? I seem to recall reading somewhere that official squadron badges have to be approved by, & then registered with, them & then reproduction fees become due...?? Keef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) Seem to remember same kind of thing with the Simulation IL2 years ago who decided just to remove some American planes from the sim. (like the TBF avenger) Its not just a British thing. Big merrycan companies are at it as well. But 'big merrycan companies' are private enterprises - the MOD & our armed forces are not. They also need to remember that old argument of who "actually pays their wages".... K Edited March 29, 2012 by keefr22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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