Severus Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Started the easiest way, painted cockpit, cut out the radiator flap... No miracles here, as I don't intend to put it under microscope to show it. Edited March 12, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonl Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Just started the Academy Tempet V myself. I'll follow this thread with some interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Just started the Academy Tempet V myself. I'll follow this thread with some interest. Challenge? Edited March 12, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 I compared molds of Heller and Academy... Surprisingly, Heller isn't so much behind, to my eye, it's shapes, to certain extent, are more appealing to me over Academy. Yes, it has raised lines, yes, it has minimalistic cockpit, once again yes, it would require much more work spent on it. On the other hand, Academy missed in certain aspects: Shallow wheel wells. Not much improvement against over 30 years old Heller. The most visible part of cockpit - seat is quite parody (Heller gives better looking one)... And, finally, when putting the wing on drawing, somehow it looks too deep, too rounded... As I will rescribe the Heller (My first attempt on whole kit), I decided to use Heller on Mk.VI, as I must add the intakes and wing radiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Looking forward to see you Mk.VI ! Will you build the intakes from scratch orare you using aftemarket parts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 (edited) Scratch - hafta somehow reduce my supplies of sheet styrene... Meanwhile I started on the worse one - Heller. Trying to rescribe whole thing using razor saw... Testing on tail... And on the cowling. Slow progress, but expected worse. Fortunately, heller plastic isn't the hardest one. Edited March 13, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonl Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Challenge? I'm not ready yet! My third model after a 20 year break, I was hoping to pick up some tips!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 14, 2012 Author Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) Most of the fuselage rescribed, just radiator and a few lines on tail still to do. Covers and steps - though not according to reality - will be made from attached plastic strips, therefore positive - like acaddemy made on typhoon. Pics - as promissed: Many thanks to anonymous toolmakers of Heller!!! Though 30 years old, all substantional lines, though raised, are mostly in correct place. Maybe some lines should be half mm up or down etc., but substantially, all lines can be used as basis for drawing recessed ones, and, if you are as lazy as me, and can stand some half mm of inaccuracy, draw the recessed line using raised one as lead for knife, razor saw, nail or pickaxe Edited March 15, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Severus, you mentioned you are using a razor-saw to rescribe, can you tell more about this technique ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 That's so simply stupid method, not worth to mention, nevertheless, I will try to describe... I don't have special scribing tool, as I didn't ever dare to rescribe whole kit. There is possible to scribe using sharp edge of knife, but the axial grip is prone to twist, blade itself is too soft, and easily is possible to draw too deep line. Using razor saw (just the blade in hand), though it's much softer, there's much better control of pressure over excel knife, easily you can put the blade on the place of desired line to see, whether it's correct, put the ruler exactly to it and then draw the blade. In comparison to scribing tool, this is VERY primitive method. This method I use only on the kits, where I need just to repair some lines (after putty orgy), and for the first time I use this method on whole kit, that I learned has most of the lines in the right place, though raised. Yep, the result isn't 100% correct scriing around, depending on the width of the raised line, but with certain considerations it's worst inaccuracy is about half mm, that I find acceptable. For hamhanded ppl, like me, there's certain advantage in better aiming with no need to have ruler handy, actualy, it's possible to be happy with no ruler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 Addendum to the above: With razor saw it's able to engrave even turned lines - if you keep in mention you shouldn't stress the blade beneath the flexible deformation. Be creative After you succesfully duplicated engraved line beside the raised one, don't forget to sand the raised line, and don't be afraid to sand it thoroghly. If you are satisfied with depth as width, clean the line of dust, moisten the brush in perchlorethylene, toluene, xylene or other solvent, and quickly draw the brush over new line. Quickly and by MOISTEN, not drooling brush! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwakou61 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Severus' method is much like the way I prefer to do it too. Using the raised lines as a ruler for you scribing tool saves up a lot of time too. It does need some practice and sensible fingers, but in the end it works out fine. I personally love kits with raised panel lines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 15, 2012 Author Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) It depends - rescribing old KitPro (Czech kits, commonly referred as KP, Prostejov, KoPro) is disgusting job, frequently the lines are in the exact place and using raised line ar ruler doesn't apply here, as the resulting engraved line is obviously out of shape, and, those terrible amount of rivets. Still avaiting for rescribe: MiG-19S, MiG-15bis+UTI, S-199 and CS-199 (mule), Ar-96B, Si-204D; these are pretty resistant for this kind of method. Also, rescribing old Heller's Spit V.b as well as Spit XVI has it's own caveats... If the raised lines are scarce, misplaced and whole kit is out of shape, then the amount of work on this rescribe isn't worth of the time. Back to tempests... Couriosity arised - as I compared drawings between modelpress (CZ) and Warpaint, there are differences on tailplane... Not much difference, but I wonder, which one is correct... Starting to rescribe the wing... Pics later... Edited March 15, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Fuselage rescribed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Back to tempests...Couriosity arised - as I compared drawings between modelpress (CZ) and Warpaint, there are differences on tailplane... Not much difference, but I wonder, which one is correct... Probably the best Tempest drawings are the AL Bentley ones, done in the 70's but very good. Can email scans if needed. The Heller Tempest was probably tooled from these drawings and matches them very well. see here http://www.hawkertempest.se/ALBentley.htm this is the Tempest site also has some other drawings, plus walkrounds etc etc http://www.hawkertempest.se/ in case anyone has not already found this resource. Severus, you mention doing a TT, this thread has some interesting info on TT Tempest on page 2 http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...=78498&st=0 HTH T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giorgio N Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Thanks for the info on the razor-saw scribing Severus ! Being mainly a 1/72 builder I'm always interestedin rescibing tips, especially for very curved small areas like the rear fuselage of a WW2 fighter. You seem to be having better results with your method than the ones I often achieve using a scriber (although homemade) and dymo tape.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 Probably the best Tempest drawings are the AL Bentley ones, done in the 70's but very good. Can email scans if needed. The Heller Tempest was probably tooled from these drawings and matches them very well. see here http://www.hawkertempest.se/ALBentley.htm this is the Tempest site also has some other drawings, plus walkrounds etc etc http://www.hawkertempest.se/ in case anyone has not already found this resource. Severus, you mention doing a TT, this thread has some interesting info on TT Tempest on page 2 http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...=78498&st=0 HTH T Greetings, Troy, thanks much for mentioning the TT thread, interesting info over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 16, 2012 Author Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the info on the razor-saw scribing Severus ! Being mainly a 1/72 builder I'm always interestedin rescibing tips, especially for very curved small areas like the rear fuselage of a WW2 fighter. You seem to be having better results with your method than the ones I often achieve using a scriber (although homemade) and dymo tape.. I don't think it leads to better result. As I checked, depth as well as width somehow varies, though it's acceptable. I must admit, this method has it's limits on curved areas, as is Tempest radiator, moreover, as the lines looked to me somehow misaligned, I tried to draw line across the raised line with limited success. Anyhow, after a few lines scribed, I started to curse the moment I bought those old heller kits... In the end, doesn't look bad, in spite there's missing fuel caps, various service caps and steps... Maybe I will just print some black rings and rectangles on decal paper... Edited March 16, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Only slow updates, as been out of mood. My suspects had been verified, FIL. Though losing wt., patient still retaining his good mood. Okay, back to tempest Slowly rescribing the wing... Edited March 24, 2012 by Severus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 From the progress of wing rescribing I must admit, it goes as not good as the fuselage. Though the same plastic, the wing seems to be a little bit harder, therefore tendency of saw to slip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I too have a partially rescribed Heller Tempest in a box somewhere, mainly assembled. I really much carry on with it some time. I have always thought it was the best-shaped Tempest kit in any scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 I checked - too late - lines on bottom and upper wing, as well as left and right upper wing. I must admit, I was somehow disappointed, as it seems the lines are frequently off. I keep in mind, approx 1.5 inch from fuselage, where differed left and right panels. Still I have no idea how to proceed various caps, some of them missing, some of them I sanded off. Thinking about two possibilities: 1. decal with rings, rectangles or squares, 2. gluing piece of sheet styrene of desired diameter or size, might look like on certain caps on academy typhoon. Though not too correct, doesn't look too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 Okay, very slow progress within last few weeks. Tried to rectify the radiator mouth; this is the ugliest part of Heller otherwise rather good tempest. Still has ertain flaws, I'm lazy to bother with it more. Other side... Radiator itself... Well, as I didn't have usable grill or mesh handy, decided to cut off the cylinder, put some thin layer of miliput, and draw the saw across it. Though not ideal, finished within 2 minutes Dry fitting of the wing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Radiator itself... Well, as I didn't have usable grill or mesh handy, decided to cut off the cylinder, put some thin layer of miliput, and draw the saw across it. Though not ideal, finished within 2 minutes That is clever! Thanks for showing us the tip. Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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