spike7451 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Just found out from a friend that the Phantom FGR2 late of 1435Flt RAF Mount Pleasant,that sits at the entrance to the camp,has been removed & gone off to be scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Makes you wonder why, with the recent 'rumblings' over the Islands in the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 There wasn't no Phantom there in 2006 when I went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 There wasn't no Phantom there in 2006 when I went? It's also posted on PPrune in Dec 2011; http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/471...scrapped-2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Ah that one, yeah I remember it. When you said entrance, I thought you meant by the little gate/hut that is the start of the road to Stanley. Wonder why it's been scrapped, sad really. Edit, just seen why. Edited January 19, 2012 by Radleigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 November 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcanicity Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I believe it was so corroded that it was becoming structurally unsafe. The cockpit is supposedly going to be preserved in the local museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeback52 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Makes you wonder why, with the recent 'rumblings' over the Islands in the news. Let's hope it remains just "rumblings". I very much doubt if the UK could stage a repeat of 1982. No Carriers, no Harriers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 No Carriers, no Harriers! And no need. The clue is that the old Phantom was at the gate of the new improved and much bigger Mount Pleasant. To assume only the Harrier could be useful down south is like arguing that we could never win another battle of Rorke's Drift because we no longer use single-shot rifles ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 And no need. The clue is that the old Phantom was at the gate of the new improved and much bigger Mount Pleasant. To assume only the Harrier could be useful down south is like arguing that we could never win another battle of Rorke's Drift because we no longer use single-shot rifles ... It would all be down to logistical resupply of equipment and personnel.... There are only 4 aircraft based at MPC and if, like previously, the invasion was sudden and those aircraft taken out, it would be difficult to reinforce with more aircraft; especially if the beligerents maintained a constant air defence of the area. For example, the retaking of the Falklands involved weeks of building up the logistical (forces, ammo, equipment etc) at Ascension before we moved forward to the attack phase. Also, more recently, both Gulf War 1 and 2 involved weeks of logistical build up (again forces, ammo equipment etc) before the attack phases could take place. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shar2 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I thought I'd heard that 2 more Typhoons had been sent down there to bolster defences, just in case, like. There's also rumours of a sub or two snuffling around the islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radleigh Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I thought I'd heard that 2 more Typhoons had been sent down there to bolster defences, just in case, like. There's also rumours of a sub or two snuffling around the islands. When I was there (for four months) at least two subs stopped off for a bit, I remember as I ended up getting pi$$ed with the marines who come off it, in Stanley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsty Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 if, like previously, the invasion was sudden Rather a large assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike7451 Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 When I was there (for four months) at least two subs stopped off for a bit, I remember as I ended up getting pi$ed with the marines who come off it, in Stanley. The's always a sub stooging around that neck of the woods...I was there in 89 & we got lashed in the senior rates mess on HMS Amberscabe as well a attack sub that was visiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripehound Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Shame about the Phantom being scrapped but only from an historical perspective, we don't need it to defend the islands when the four (or six) Typhoons could probably take on the combined airpower of South America and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Rather a large assumption. True, but historically battles have been won by doing the unexpected Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Another thing to remember is which countries armed forces are growing at a fair old rate of knots? Oh yeah, that'd be Argentina, and then there's all that 'black gold' If the Argentine's do want the islands 'back' there's little we could do, assuming the government would do anything? Seems to me a very sad state after the lives lost, last time. What's the saying? "They that do NOT know their history, are fated to repeat it" Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Most of us don't know what exactly our armed forces have down there or available at short notice, I'm pretty sure there are plans laid up for any aggression and a close eye is being kept on the situation, even more so with British companies digging around for oil! Pity the Phantom being scrapped, but maybe one of the worse places to have an aircraft out in the open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow07 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Guys, also remember that Argentina is in no real position to undertake a proper military action further than a naval blockade, both equipment and economically. Also, the oil results so far are far from certain There is bound to be rumblings and sabre rattling in this anniversary, especially the decision to send a certain rotary wing pilot down there. back to topic; Will a Tornado F3 replace it? What will? Will there be a replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smackers Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Virtually anything made from metal would end up corroding there within a few years i should think so i doubt a replacement would be forthcoming unless it was suitably unserviceable Mike Edited January 20, 2012 by smackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMChladek Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Virtually anything made from metal would end up corroding there within a few years i should think so i doubt a replacement would be forthcoming unless it was suitably unserviceableMike Has one of those firms that has done the replica fibreglas (Gate Guards I believe) Spitfires or Mustangs ever been considered for making a jet fighter such as a Phantom? Granted it is hard enough to do a proper Phantom in small scale plastic as I imagine doing a glass fibre one would be just crazy hard. But still, I could see a market for such a thing if somebody were to try it. Or how about a glass fibre SHAR? They are smaller and stubbier (and potentially easier to replicate). Better yet, park a few replica SHARs around Port Stanley and REALLY make the Argentineans wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panoz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Has one of those firms that has done the replica fibreglas (Gate Guards I believe) Spitfires or Mustangs ever been considered for making a jet fighter such as a Phantom? Granted it is hard enough to do a proper Phantom in small scale plastic as I imagine doing a glass fibre one would be just crazy hard. But still, I could see a market for such a thing if somebody were to try it. Check out the photo below: Clicky!!! Do you really think there is a market for a fiberglass display model of a Phantom, when the real thing is readily available? Edited January 20, 2012 by Panoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Reckon the cost will be the biggest factor, must be a fortune for the Spitfire/Hurricane so for a Phantom probably cheaper to buy a second hand airworthy example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixII Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Most of us don't know what exactly our armed forces have down there or available at short notice, I'm pretty sure there are plans laid up for any aggression and a close eye is being kept on the situation, even more so with British companies digging around for oil!Pity the Phantom being scrapped, but maybe one of the worse places to have an aircraft out in the open! "....[what] our armed forces have down there or available at short notice..." Not a lot would be the assumption. Did anyone else see 'Question time' on the BBC last night? If 'Joe Public' are aware that we have no carrier capabilities OR aircraft even if we had a carrier....................... Guys, also remember that Argentina is in no real position to undertake a proper military action further than a naval blockade, both equipment and economically. Ermm, Argentina has enlarged it's airforce, army and navy over the last ten years, every other country in the 'west' has seen shinkage in their defence budgets. With the latest 'round' of U.K. cuts it's gone beyond 'trimming to the bone', they are now hacking away AT the bone. BUT, it's nothing new, it's been happening since at least the 1800's. To re-itterate, "They that do NOT know their history, are fated to repeat it" Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kspriss Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 at the risk of sounding political, guess we will see if the typhoon det thats down there can walk the walk as well as talk the talk. HOPEFULLY it will never come to that obviously, but with the defence cuts biting as they are, and everyone and their dog knowing what state we are in militarily.... steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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