1/48 TSR2 mods changes have i missed anything?

[Mark M]

TSR2 Changes

This list of changes that ive found following the General and Martins builds, i may well have missed some stuff, can anyone think of anything else, im about to set out on my first very serious build, learning scratch building (never really done it)

1. Replace observers instrument panel

2. Check fit of cockpit canopy – sills may need raising

3. Rear bulkhead in the bays needs filling in

4. Nose cone needs blending in

5. Rear air break needs re boxing in and detail adding

6. Detail seats

7. Bomb bay to lower fuselage needs building up

8. Exhausts need thinning and hollowing out cans need changing

9. Intakes – doors in wrong place

10. Detail nose wheel bay

11. Air intake needs adding in fin

12. Part 25 file down hump!

13. Tubs needs rails for seats

14. Landing lights need rectifying on nose gear

15. Rescribe curved line on bottom to make straight

16. Beef up air breaks

17. Need bar to keep canopy up

18. Wing trailing edges need thinning

19. Re shape fuel dump pipes

20. Top area of wing is convex needs flattening

21. Drop the flaps – shorten the inner edge by 2mm

22. Undercart – splay needs sorting

23. Correct parts 34 &35

24. Dampeners

25. 23 & 25 open up vents

26. Add wiring to bays

hope that all makes sense, any other advice?

thanks

Mark

[Jim Kiker]

Hi Mark,

I am not a TSR2 boffin, but I want to offer a couple of thoughts regarding the list you have. I find it very helpful to break a long list like this up a bit before I wade into the build. I like to make one break between the things I want to tackle to bring the airframe into better shape, such a flattening overly-big bulges, adding or taking out dimensions, or making the canopies fit better. Most everything else seems to fall into the "more/ more accurate detail" category. Since most of that extra detail is on the inside, I like to start with the outside in most cases. Another thing I would suggest is to make whatever kind of high-level breakdown that makes sense to you and prioritize each resulting list. My own preference is to tackle the more difficult items first while my enthusiasm is high. This sort of work can take a long time to complete and I am a slow builder to boot, and it can get difficult to keep plugging along just to get through the list of To Do items. The result of all this for me is that I can do the major work with shapes, dimensions, and fit; then if my interest really drops off, I can choose to leave off some of the extra detailing and still come out with a model that I like much better than what the kit provides.

One other thing I will note is that beyond cockpits and wheel wells, I tend not to go about opening panels for the maintenance guys. I like seeing other people do that well enough, but in the main I prefer a vehicle that is ready for the next sortie. I mention that because while I like doing detail, I do not see the need to do it if it cannot be seen when I'm done. For example, are the flaps normally left open or drooped open when the aircraft is parked? If not, I generally will not open them up and add all the internal detail, and I certainly would not add that structural detail and then put the flaps up. Some folks do things like that, mostly I think because "they know it's in there." Your model and your choices, but since I take 3-4 months to work through an extensive project, there is a point of diminishing returns. Only you can decide where the balance point should be.

All of this has more to do with a philosophy of detailing rather than the specifics you asked about for the TSR2, but it pays off handsomely if you plan ahead, prioritize the work, and are willing to revisit your decisions during a project. I look forward to seeing pictures of your work as it progresses!

Hope this helps, Jim

[zipper]

Thanks for the list Mark, that will come in handy when I get round to doing mine.

Odds and Ordnance are doing a forward fuselage correction set that should be out around the Scottish Nationals all being well next year, that's what Campbell was aiming for when I spooke to him at the UK Nats in November, he showed me what he had done so far and it was coming along nicely, so I'm holding out for that as I have plenty of other bits on the go to keep me going. He also does a corrected fin and tailplane which I have already.

Ashley

[Tim T]

Am I correct in thinking that the Odds and Ordnance fueselage was the work of Melchie?

[Neil Whiteley-Bolton]

Jim,

What you say resonates perfectly with me. I like to plan my builds ahead, and then make notes as the build proceeds. I do this because I am obsessive about certain subjects and I like to make lots of models - the idea is that I know exactly how to proceed when I build the next one: what went well, where I encountered problems and how I solved them.rds.

Regards.

Neil

Hi Mark,

I am not a TSR2 boffin, but I want to offer a couple of thoughts regarding the list you have. I find it very helpful to break a long list like this up a bit before I wade into the build. I like to make one break between the things I want to tackle to bring the airframe into better shape, such a flattening overly-big bulges, adding or taking out dimensions, or making the canopies fit better. Most everything else seems to fall into the "more/ more accurate detail" category. Since most of that extra detail is on the inside, I like to start with the outside in most cases. Another thing I would suggest is to make whatever kind of high-level breakdown that makes sense to you and prioritize each resulting list. My own preference is to tackle the more difficult items first while my enthusiasm is high. This sort of work can take a long time to complete and I am a slow builder to boot, and it can get difficult to keep plugging along just to get through the list of To Do items. The result of all this for me is that I can do the major work with shapes, dimensions, and fit; then if my interest really drops off, I can choose to leave off some of the extra detailing and still come out with a model that I like much better than what the kit provides.

One other thing I will note is that beyond cockpits and wheel wells, I tend not to go about opening panels for the maintenance guys. I like seeing other people do that well enough, but in the main I prefer a vehicle that is ready for the next sortie. I mention that because while I like doing detail, I do not see the need to do it if it cannot be seen when I'm done. For example, are the flaps normally left open or drooped open when the aircraft is parked? If not, I generally will not open them up and add all the internal detail, and I certainly would not add that structural detail and then put the flaps up. Some folks do things like that, mostly I think because "they know it's in there." Your model and your choices, but since I take 3-4 months to work through an extensive project, there is a point of diminishing returns. Only you can decide where the balance point should be.

All of this has more to do with a philosophy of detailing rather than the specifics you asked about for the TSR2, but it pays off handsomely if you plan ahead, prioritize the work, and are willing to revisit your decisions during a project. I look forward to seeing pictures of your work as it progresses!

Hope this helps, Jim

[zero]

Nice list mark, thanks for the foot work too

odd and ordanance also do a nice replacement fin, more correct than the airfix one

OAO48003

BAC TSR.2

Revised Fin with l/e Intake

(for 1/48 Airfix kit)

or

OAO48001

BAC TSR2

1 x revised fin with

leading edge intake

2 x tailplanes, revised trim

actuator fairings

Hope this helps,

Dave

Edited December 26, 2011 by zero