Trumpeters delicious releases!

[Phartycr0c]

Guys and gals, take a look at these beauts here!

Trumpy releases

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Despite modern stuff being my "bag" i really like the look of that swordfish! methinks the pocket will suffer!

Link originally found over on ARC

[upnorth]

Looks promising, but with Trumpeter I ALWAYS wait for reviews.

Rarely will they not hose something and at the prices their kits can come at, well.....

[Jennings Heilig]

Yes, you really do have to just wait and see what major and/or minor thing(s) they've screwed up for no good reason. Honestly, of all their kits I've ever seen, I think I can count the number on less than the fingers of one hand that haven't had some kind of fairly major accuracy and/or rivet issue. Their 1/32 Me262 is one of them. I'm still trying to think of another one.... Nope, can't do it...

J

[Alan P]

Yes, you really do have to just wait and see what major and/or minor thing(s) they've screwed up for no good reason. Honestly, of all their kits I've ever seen, I think I can count the number on less than the fingers of one hand that haven't had some kind of fairly major accuracy and/or rivet issue. Their 1/32 Me262 is one of them. I'm still trying to think of another one.... Nope, can't do it...

J

What was wrong with the F-100? I thought it was one of the best kits 've ever seen.

[Skii]

What was wrong with the F-100? I thought it was one of the best kits 've ever seen.

Very true.

Can't help wishing that was a single seat tiffie though

[Matt Roberts]

Give 'em time.

I'd guess a single seat Typhoon is in the schedule for late summer or early fall 2009. Basing that guess on maybe a six month lag between releases, though we are still awaiting The F-100F. Probably the cynical release model....release The less desired version first and get all of The 'new plastic' buys and then get the more desired one out meaning a two kit purchase when if The more desired kit was first you'd only snagged one.

Look at it this way, there are lots of us who'd love a family model Typhoon from RoG and are still waiting.

Matt

[MAK]

Will they ever do a Buccaneer in 1/32 scale? Or a fairey Gannet, I just have a soft spot for the Gannet; it was the first plastic kit I laid my eye on at my uncles house when I was about 5 years old.

MAK

[tomastewart]

Trumpeter Wyvern - stunning!

Tom

[upnorth]

Trumpeter Wyvern - stunning!

Tom

Yes, the Wyvern was nice, but it wasn't really Trumpeter's work. The Wyvern, along with the F-107 Ultra Sabre were designed and tooled by a Japanese outfit called Monochrome. Trumpeter just reissued them for the global market.

Left to themselves, Trumpeter can be quite hit or miss. Case in point is their 1/72 Gannet. Nice on first impressions, but once you get a bit closer you find quite a few contour and cross sectional errors that would be all but impossible to correct with any practicality. The RoG Gannet was late on release and while it has a niggle or two of its own, was worth giving the Trumpeter kit a pass and waiting for.

Right now I have Trumpeter's 1/144 F-22 Raptor on the go and it looks nice for the scale. Oddly the radome panel line is raised while all the others are recessed. The weapons bay doors are a pretty crude fit in the closed position but can be coaxed. I can't imagine they could hose 1/144 in any meaningful way and the price was competitive with the current lot of RoG 1/144 fighter types so I sprang for it.

[Jennings Heilig]

What was wrong with the F-100? I thought it was one of the best kits 've ever seen.

Oh lord... if you ask an Hun aficionado, you'll get a list about four pages long, single spaced. It had major problems, not least of which is a totally inaccurately shaped intake (which is why there are at least three resin replacements available). It was a hodge-podge of problems from stem to stern.

J

[Jennings Heilig]

Yes, the Wyvern was nice, but it wasn't really Trumpeter's work. The Wyvern, along with the F-107 Ultra Sabre were designed and tooled by a Japanese outfit called Monochrome. Trumpeter just reissued them for the global market.

The Monochrome stuff is designed in Japan, but tooled to Monochrome specs by Trumpeter, and issued in a Trumpeter box outside of Japan. And even that's no guarantee of 'perfection' (that most elusive quality). The F-107, while nice, had an intake that's much too shallow (by about 25% or so).

I'm not saying Trumpeter doesn't do some nice stuff. They do. Their 1/48 MiG-15s are much better than Tamiya's, if somewhat more fiddly to put together. But they do, demonstrably, factually, make a lot of totally unnecessary errors. The addition of their famous "divots" (reminiscent of the Matchbox trench digger of the 1970s and '80s) only adds insult to injury in most cases. Airplanes simply don't have rows and rows of holes in them like that (I know the argument about recessed panel lines... different story though). To me, the maddening thing is that they get *so* close most of the time, and with just a little more effort (or less effort and expense, in the case of those divots), they'd be the equal of anybody in the world. The problem is, unlike Tamiya or Hasegawa or Revell, Trumpeter is in the model airplane business for the money, period.

J

[Bobski]

My comments on the Typhoon (as originally posted on ARC):

The PIRATE sensor on the nose of the Typhoon doesn't look right. It looks more like the dummy one fitted to the DA aircraft than the production unit. It also looks a fraction too low below the windscreen. Radar antenna isn't right (thankfully). They have a full set of pylons, but they look a little on the small side - particularly the inner wing pylons. They also seem to have the tanks mounted onto regular pylons (particularly on the centreline), when they should have their own built-in pylons. I can't see the other side of the jet, but I'd be interested to see whether they've done the DASS pods correctly. The Hobbyboss Tiffie doesn't have the towed decoy dispenser on the starboard wingtip pod and based on what I've seen I have a sneaking suspicion that both kits are based on similar research (both have the same problem with the PIRATE sensor and the pylons). I've also noticed that while they've modelled the steps, they haven't moulded the open panel in which they are stowed.

Have to say I've not been impressed based on photos. It certainly looks the part at first glance, but for a kit of that size I'd expect the detail in some areas to be a bit better. I'd still like to see it in the flesh, and if my concerns prove to be unfounded I expect I'll get one.

[Red Dragon]

Tamiya, Hasegawa and Revell not in it for the money? I do'nt think so!

Phil

The Monochrome stuff is designed in Japan, but tooled to Monochrome specs by Trumpeter, and issued in a Trumpeter box outside of Japan. And even that's no guarantee of 'perfection' (that most elusive quality). The F-107, while nice, had an intake that's much too shallow (by about 25% or so).

I'm not saying Trumpeter doesn't do some nice stuff. They do. Their 1/48 MiG-15s are much better than Tamiya's, if somewhat more fiddly to put together. But they do, demonstrably, factually, make a lot of totally unnecessary errors. The addition of their famous "divots" (reminiscent of the Matchbox trench digger of the 1970s and '80s) only adds insult to injury in most cases. Airplanes simply don't have rows and rows of holes in them like that (I know the argument about recessed panel lines... different story though). To me, the maddening thing is that they get *so* close most of the time, and with just a little more effort (or less effort and expense, in the case of those divots), they'd be the equal of anybody in the world. The problem is, unlike Tamiya or Hasegawa or Revell, Trumpeter is in the model airplane business for the money, period.

J

[Alan P]

Oh lord... if you ask an Hun aficionado, you'll get a list about four pages long, single spaced. It had major problems, not least of which is a totally inaccurately shaped intake (which is why there are at least three resin replacements available). It was a hodge-podge of problems from stem to stern.

J

Oh well, that's nice to hear. I'm sure the likes of Greg B and myself are kicking ourselves for having wasted the paint and glue on such an abortion of a kit.

I'd like to see this list one day - good job i'm clearly not a Hun aficionado!

Sorry if I come off a bit flippant Jennings - but the kit I built bears no resemblance at all to your damning dismissal of it. Like I usually say - if you can't accept the kit, scratchbuild your own.

[Jennings Heilig]

Oh well, that's nice to hear. I'm sure the likes of Greg B and myself are kicking ourselves for having wasted the paint and glue on such an abortion of a kit.

I'd like to see this list one day - good job i'm clearly not a Hun aficionado!

Sorry if I come off a bit flippant Jennings - but the kit I built bears no resemblance at all to your damning dismissal of it. Like I usually say - if you can't accept the kit, scratchbuild your own.

Okay, sorry. An ex-Hun crew chief and master model builder. Not just somebody who happens to like the airplane. Someone who knows the airplane intimately, inside and out, and all the myriad detail differences between various types. Is that specific enough for you? I seem to have misplaced the email with that info, but have just requested another copy from the person I got it from, and will be more than happy to post it here.

You really, really don't have to take my word for anything y'know. If you like the kit, by all means build it and be as happy as a lark. It's not a smidgen of skin off my nose either way. I'm honestly not trying to steal your joy, but the question was asked. I'll happily post all the specifics as soon as I have them. If you don't want to know, then don't read my post. Simple easy..

J

[Jennings Heilig]

Tamiya, Hasegawa and Revell not in it for the money? I do'nt think so!

There's a BIG difference between a company like Hasegawa or Tamiya who does things because of the love of the subject and a company like Trumpeter who does it (exclusively) for the money. If Trumpeter did it for the love of the subject, they wouldn't do dumb things like they do over and over. It's clear to me that they're only in business to part people and their money. Talk to anyone who's done business in the PRC.

That's my opinion, and yours may not be in alignment with it. That's fine. Both are valid.

Yes, all companies are in business ultimately to make money. But I work with people in nursing who are in it because it's a job and a way to get a paycheck. I don't happen to be one of those, although ultimately if they didn't pay me, I probably wouldn't be doing it. Can you see the difference? There's a HUGE difference in the way we do our jobs respectively. And people notice it. Just like people notice the difference between what Tamiya (etc) does and what Trumpeter does.

J

[Alan P]

Jennings Heilig said:

Okay, sorry. An ex-Hun crew chief and master model builder. Not just somebody who happens to like the airplane. Someone who knows the airplane intimately, inside and out, and all the myriad detail differences between various types. Is that specific enough for you? I seem to have misplaced the email with that info, but have just requested another copy from the person I got it from, and will be more than happy to post it here.

You really, really don't have to take my word for anything y'know. If you like the kit, by all means build it and be as happy as a lark. It's not a smidgen of skin off my nose either way. I'm honestly not trying to steal your joy, but the question was asked. I'll happily post all the specifics as soon as I have them. If you don't want to know, then don't read my post. Simple easy..

J

There's me thinking you were just shooting from the hip...

I guess you can post away, JH - I'd be genuinely interested to hear it from a proper expert.

 

EDIT: I misunderstood that - I thought you meant YOU were the ex-F100 crew chief! 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Alan P

[Red Dragon]

All Companies are in business to make money, if you are not in business to make money you are not going to be in business for long! I really do not think that certain Companies, that is the large Companies think of the Modeller first and profits second, the first thought is the profit margin, I am not knocking them for doing it, that's the way things happen.

Cheers

Phil

There's a BIG difference between a company like Hasegawa or Tamiya who does things because of the love of the subject and a company like Trumpeter who does it (exclusively) for the money. If Trumpeter did it for the love of the subject, they wouldn't do dumb things like they do over and over. It's clear to me that they're only in business to part people and their money. Talk to anyone who's done business in the PRC.

That's my opinion, and yours may not be in alignment with it. That's fine. Both are valid.

Yes, all companies are in business ultimately to make money. But I work with people in nursing who are in it because it's a job and a way to get a paycheck. I don't happen to be one of those, although ultimately if they didn't pay me, I probably wouldn't be doing it. Can you see the difference? There's a HUGE difference in the way we do our jobs respectively. And people notice it. Just like people notice the difference between what Tamiya (etc) does and what Trumpeter does.

J

[Nev]

My comments on the Typhoon (as originally posted on ARC):

The PIRATE sensor on the nose of the Typhoon doesn't look right. It looks more like the dummy one fitted to the DA aircraft than the production unit. It also looks a fraction too low below the windscreen. Radar antenna isn't right (thankfully). They have a full set of pylons, but they look a little on the small side - particularly the inner wing pylons. They also seem to have the tanks mounted onto regular pylons (particularly on the centreline), when they should have their own built-in pylons. I can't see the other side of the jet, but I'd be interested to see whether they've done the DASS pods correctly. The Hobbyboss Tiffie doesn't have the towed decoy dispenser on the starboard wingtip pod and based on what I've seen I have a sneaking suspicion that both kits are based on similar research (both have the same problem with the PIRATE sensor and the pylons). I've also noticed that while they've modelled the steps, they haven't moulded the open panel in which they are stowed.

Have to say I've not been impressed based on photos. It certainly looks the part at first glance, but for a kit of that size I'd expect the detail in some areas to be a bit better. I'd still like to see it in the flesh, and if my concerns prove to be unfounded I expect I'll get one.

I'm most certainly not on the bash-Trumpeter-bandwagon, and I am most assuredly a member of the "if it looks right, it is right" club. And this kit doesn't look right. Not "the wing chord is out by 0.000045% - its unbuildable trash", but "ewwww, how is that PIRATE pod so wrong?".

I'm very nervous now about spending the best part of £100 for a kit that is going to need more ££££ spending on it just to bring it up to "OK at a glance" standard

[Gary C]

There's a BIG difference between a company like Hasegawa or Tamiya who does things because of the love of the subject and a company like Trumpeter who does it (exclusively) for the money. If Trumpeter did it for the love of the subject, they wouldn't do dumb things like they do over and over. It's clear to me that they're only in business to part people and their money. Talk to anyone who's done business in the PRC.

That's my opinion, and yours may not be in alignment with it. That's fine. Both are valid.

Yes, all companies are in business ultimately to make money. But I work with people in nursing who are in it because it's a job and a way to get a paycheck. I don't happen to be one of those, although ultimately if they didn't pay me, I probably wouldn't be doing it. Can you see the difference? There's a HUGE difference in the way we do our jobs respectively. And people notice it. Just like people notice the difference between what Tamiya (etc) does and what Trumpeter does.

J

Agreed.

Tamiya makes most of it's money from it's RC business with the plastic stuff being a sideline, indeed some of the Tamiya range were made largely at the whim of Mr Tamiya who simply wanted to see certain subjects done, hence the appearence of things like the Swordfish. Hasegawa operate in a similar fashion, picking a seam of subjects and slowly and carefully working their way through them. 32nd WWII props have been a recent love with the 109's, 190's, P-47, P-40 and probably more to come. Same with the 72nd twins (He-111, Ju-88, B-25 and B-26) and heavies (Lanc and B-24). It shows a pattern of thought and consideration and the timespan between releases says to me that they are doing their research. Contrast that with the scattergun approach of Trumpeter who seem to be announcing any and everything with not a lot of rhyme or reason linking the products, half of which have failed to materialise.

Oh well, that's nice to hear. I'm sure the likes of Greg B and myself are kicking ourselves for having wasted the paint and glue on such an abortion of a kit.

I'd like to see this list one day - good job i'm clearly not a Hun aficionado!

Sorry if I come off a bit flippant Jennings - but the kit I built bears no resemblance at all to your damning dismissal of it. Like I usually say - if you can't accept the kit, scratchbuild your own.

To be fair the problems with the Hun, like so many other kits, are not exactly a state secret. The intake and exhaust pipe issues have been well documented on ARC and in addition to the info Jennings has posted today, this....

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.ph...0&hl=f-100d

... has been running for a year or more on LSP. As with all kits there is a wealth of information out there regarding accuracy but you need to go and look for it. Nobody knows about everything but you can guarantee somebody will know something and the chances are there's a thread about it. If all else fails start a thread!

[Bobski]

I'm most certainly not on the bash-Trumpeter-bandwagon, and I am most assuredly a member of the "if it looks right, it is right" club. And this kit doesn't look right. Not "the wing chord is out by 0.000045% - its unbuildable trash", but "ewwww, how is that PIRATE pod so wrong?".

I'm very nervous now about spending the best part of £100 for a kit that is going to need more ££££ spending on it just to bring it up to "OK at a glance" standard

Agreed. I'd like to see one up close before I spent my money on it so I can see how good it is for myself, rather than looking at a photo. True, some of the issues I highlighted aren't too important (you can remove the PIRATE sensor and close up the panels) but if the pylons and tanks are wrong then it's going to need some reasonable chunks of resin to correct it.